Tema: El post chino.

Una cosa,yo por motivos de trabajo,el proximo miercoles 21 al 23 inclusive,estoy en Punta Umbría de convención de la empresa.
Lo digo si veis que el pago se hará por esas fechas.
Si es así ,decidme como lo podemos hacer

Saludos

Sisco

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<span style="color:red;font-size:small;">Timerider1 Manu</span>

<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail"> <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hail.gif ALT=":hail">
Me gustaría saber si podeis averiguarme (preguntando a Norman si es posible, Manu)
1.Si podria opinar sobre este amp Spark 688-R o alternativas
incluso prev+etapa a valvulas

2.Recomendar altavoces con una sensibilidad mas alta o
que casen mejor con lo expuesto anteriormente

Por cierto le enviado un emilio a Norman pero no me ha contestado , no se si por tema horario o es que hay trafico de
influencias e Manu !<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/laugh3.gif ALT=":DDD">

Gracias de antemano. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

En breve confirmare mi pedido pero hasta entonces continuo mordiendome las uñas!!! <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/furious.gif ALT=":>:">



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Por cierto.

Que tal los de www.nysound.com?

Tienen el shengya S6 a menos de 300$ <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/incredulo.gif ALT=":oo"> , fiables? serios?

Estoy por lanzarme <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/chalao.gif ALT=":chalao"> o esperarme <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/apaleao.gif ALT=":apaleao"> ARggg! <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/juggle2.gif ALT=":malabares">

Saludos.
Litil </p>

Una cosa importante,a parte de asegurar el voltaje,hay que asegurar que las tomas a enchufes sean las correctas,pues en china y en asia en general tienen 3 planas.

Saludos

Sisco

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Sisco...

Esta gente te envia con el voltaje adecuado y los enchufes adecuados. Hay que especificarlo en el pedido. (220V Europeo), al menos que en lleida esteis aun a 110v <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/happy2.gif ALT=":DD">

Asi que <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/sleeping2.gif ALT=":zzz"> tranquilo.



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por si alguien es algo caprichoso:

Maple

Cherrywood

Poplar Tumor

Rosewood


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Esas Aurum <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/babas.gif ALT=":babas"> .
Sabeis hay algun central dentro de la misma estetica, es que el que veo en Cattylink parece de la serie de las otras Aurum.

Saludos.

Paco

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Ostras. Me había despistado con este post.
Bueno, a los organizadores (Timerider o Manu), yo sigo interesado en el SCAD 2.0 de Consonace Opera Audio. El requisito sigue siendo el mismo, que el precio final en España no supere los 1.500 euros. Os ruego que me lo mireis con el amigo Norman para confirmar el tema antes del martes.
Un saludo Javier G.


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Frequenzgang (+/-3 dB) 55 Hz - 40 kHz
Wirkungsgrad (2,8V/1m) 90 dB
Nennimpedanz (EN 60065) 4 Ohm
Impedanz Mimimum 3,2 Ohm
Trennfrequenz 3.200 Hz

Empf. Verstärkerleistung 50 - 150 W
Abmessungen (H x L x B) 190×600×276mm
Gewicht 15 kg


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<span style="color:red;font-size:small;">Timerider1</span> tienes un ez

<span style="color:red;font-size:medium;">Manu</span>. Alguien antes ha mencionado esta tienda:
tienda new

No te vendría mal ya que tienen esto:

y esto:


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Esa tienda me da muy mala espina. No me preguntes por que... Es algo intuitivo... <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/smiley.gif ALT=":)">

De todas formas, PERSONALMENTE, creo que no deberíamos marear más la perdiz. El ÚNICO que se ha preocupado siempre de contestar emails, con gran amabilidad y aportando interesante información, ha sido Norman (CoemAudio). De precio no es el más barato, ni el más caro, pero al menos ha hecho una oferta con descuentos interesantes. Además, tenemos experiencias de primera mano de pedidos realizados allí (Grubert), y excelentes referencias previas.

Viniendo al caso, hay un grupo de noruegos que llevan UN MES esperando noticias de su pedido a Cattlynk. No dan señales de vida, como aquí. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/worried2.gif ALT=":preocupado2">

El cerco se estrecha...

En cualquier caso, cuando reciba la lista completa, apretaré las clavijas a Norman todo lo que pueda, y mandaré mails a otros sitios que conozco.

Manu1oo1

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Los de ec21.com en algun hilo lo he comentado que les envie un mail pidiendo lista de precios. Aun no han dado señales de vida <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/uhoh.gif ALT=":ein">

Y sobre nysound.com? Sabeis algo please.... <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/disimulo.gif ALT=":disimulo">

Saludos.
Litil </p>

TimeRider1, Manu,

sabéis si donde se haga el pedido, supuestamente coemaudio, hacen facturas? Lo querría a nombre de una empresa.

Gracias

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Oido al dato.
He encontrado quien vende Xindak en España

Broadcast Sistemas S.A. Paseo de la Castellana, 268, 28046 Madrid. Tfno: 91 323 8139, Fax: 91 314 9596

www.bcsistem.com/audiohifi/sac2.htm

Saludos

Sisco

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vdky, respondido.

JavierG, apuntado, te mando un email.

Stersa, estos de brodcast tienen tu lector de cd's ese con el aceite de ricino ??, digo, por que lo demas hemos pedido solo cables y la mayoria de el pedido es Shengya y Javierg que pide opera.


Pabli, coemaudio y cualquiera te va a hacer una factura, es imprecindible para importar un producto.


NYsound, por lo que he leido, te hacen el envio desde china directamente, para que queremos otro intermediario, ademas no tienen todos los productos que queremos, sobre todo el 388.


Manu me lo ha quitado del teclado.

Norman esta respondiendo MUY bien a nuestras inumerables preguntas

Norman tiene referencias probadas 100%.

Tenemos prisa.....

Por ser la primera vez, yo tambien voto por quedarnos con coemaudio, ya para una segunda ronda se podria variar un poco.

Edito por que se me han quedado cosas en el tinero.


</p>Editado por: <A HREF=http://pub165.ezboard.com/bmundodvd43132.showUserPublicProfile?gid=timerider 1>TimeRider1</A> fecha: 17/4/04 18:28

<span style="font-size:xx-large;">SIRBOLIC</span>

* sirbolic@mundodvd43132: The message could not be delivered because the user has not enabled ezInbox

Mandame un ez con tu email y de donde eres, asi te tengo fichado...

<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/deal2.gif ALT=":lee">

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<span style="color:red;font-size:medium;">timerider1</span>
en el ez me pone que no tengo nuevos mensajes
el los correos no me ha llegado nada:
pi_benªterra.es
y el otro tampoco...

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Terra es una mierda....

i3HGKWFC032393 295 Sat Apr 17 18:20 <xxx@xx.com>
(Deferred: Connection timed out with mx.terra.es.)
<xx@xx.es>
Total requests: 1


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Time,decirle a Norman que lo del aceite,si puede ser de oliva de les garrigues,que es el mejor del mundo

Supongo que los de esta empresa de España,también lo importan,pues hablan,de que la garantía se extiende en el momento de que sale de fábrica y de los impuestos para traerlo.

Una cosa muy extraña.

Saludos

Sisco

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MI CHIQUITIN</p>

Saludos

Timerider Norman os ha pasado alguna lista de precios , quiero mirarme algo mas , sigo indeciso <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/juggle2.gif ALT=":malabares"> y he de cuadrar numeros <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/apaleao.gif ALT=":apaleao"> me la podriais pasar por Ez

Gracias

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Bueno... Norman debía estar aburrido hoy. Pedazo de email que me ha mandado. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/smiley.gif ALT=":)">

Ha contestado a una lista bastante extensa de preguntas que le hice. Paso a comentar...

Primero, hay bastante gente preguntando por amplificadores estéreo. La respuesta de Norman no solo es interesante, sino que tiene "beneficios colaterales" que nos interesan a todos.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What’s your opinion about Spark 688-R? Alternatives?

this is the special edition to post up a flagship of high craftmanship for the company. All the three company: cayin, consonance and Classic happens to have this idea this year..at last Classic came up with overwhelming dominance and this winner takes it all..just like the sun dominatew the bright stars.

you are most encouraged to try to see the Classic 16.0 and this is the flagship of all china...not only for Classic. We have a brief talk with boss this morning to have a free shipping to all for promotion

www.homecinema-fr.com/for...;start=705

you will never reglet and this promotion last until May.

free rosevoix silver power cable special for tube amp is included

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<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/dead.gif ALT=":x|">

Si no he entendido mal, portes gratis para cada Classic 16.0, más cables de alto nivel sin coste. Y la afirmación de que no hay NADA mejor en el mercado chino. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/smart.gif ALT=":alloro">

Respecto a los altavoces...

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>What speakers do you recommend? Aurum Cantus? Blaudio? What’s the most sensitive (dB)?

Blaudio Pastoral is the best. If you are a musician and look for true music and real high fidelity. Or you are a very experienced audiophile...it always yields the highest score in most national exhibition. Extremely high sensitivity and remarkable resolution. It adopts the name of Pastoral because the sound reveals a very clear, crystal clean background like the pasture in the snowy mountain. You can actually hear more minor detail, which is missing in most speakers in the world. It has a very high sensitivity: 90dB great for low output amps. This is not recommended for young guy who is looking for dynamic and punch. To make it simple: Blaudio Pastoral’s position in the speaker world is equivalent to the 300B in tube world. The king with a supreme clarity and resolutions. The outlook is plain and not outstanding

coemaudio.com/blaudio.htm bird’s eye wood version seems to be most popular.

Arum cantus If you prefer beautiful out look then go for arum cantus leisure II. It is good for the eye with piano finish rosewood and good for the tube amp. But it seems to be something missing in the mid range, which is very essential for human voice. However this seems to be overcome by the matching with tube amps. Great value for all round occasions especially perfect for casual family user or AV fans. A very popular item which sold in enormous volume.

Rosevoix Mozart
This is an OEM version from the same family of leisure II. This version has some major change in directions: the cost shifts from the outlook to the base unit. The same outlook as leisure II luxurious version but no piano polish. The matt rosevoix has an Italian taste. The remarkable upgrade of the mid-bass unit makes this speaker performing a strong bass measuring up to that of the floor standing speakers. Thanks to the long distance of displacement of the piston of the bass unit. If you are looking for better sound performance and want to pay less money. You can take this option.

Compact 2B
It is believe that 3B is the king of floor standing speaker in China affordable by audiophile. However not many people can have the space for floor standing speakers. This is the best concession: 2B actually has virtually the same internal volume of the 3B. Although it is shorter, of cause, it is a bookshelf speaker. it has a deeper(nearly 20cm) and wider measurement(about 10cm). This is a pair of intrepid midget. Thanks to the Scanspeak 8545, this giant killer have the bass beating most of the floor standing speakers. A full satisfaction with energy, punch and immense sound stage.

Compact is a profession OEM factory to work behind famous labels such as KEF; Avalon…It is producing 20% of the veneer loudspeakers in this planet. This is a Guiness record.

The outlook is amazing. Solid genuine wood front panel matching black gloss piano finish on the rear half. Most pretty and esteemed with highest QC



Image Jazz boy
The speaker using the same Scanspeak units as Proac 1S. The most well known clone Proac Chinese version. No need to say how it performs. Just go to listen to Proac and you know how does it sound like: at least 90% resembling but price is only 25% of the real one (it is believe that the Genuine Proac is also OEM made some where in china now). Same as Proac, the outlook is too traditional and boring.

Image Jazz girl
Employing the same Vifa units as in Sonus Faber Cremona. The outlook is just like any other very simple wooden box. Choices of Black piano finish, Cherry, birds eye, Walnut, ebony. …Veneer (actually Image provide most wood finish like a timber factory…if you like you can tailor made)

The sound characteristics simply resembles going to a concert. In the concert hall, the professional speakers employ horn tweeters. The ceramic Vifa tweeter shoots up to 40KHz and greatly reveals the feel as attending a life concern. This is a great option for concert going lovers.
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Sobre reproductores de CD audio

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Compare of the CD players
if you buy a car:

you go for the very best then rolls royce. money is not important

you go for reasonable luxury: Mercedez

Daily good family use with best efficient in price: Toyota



In China

Consonance is rolls royce..

Davinci is S320 Mercedes
Jolida JD100 is Camry

Shengya is Space wagon



My point of view

My best option:i will buy da vinci and modified with M-cap if my home is bigger....top loading problem

Best environmental protection plan: keep a cheap DVD or old CDP and buy a Xindak DAC-3

Best household family investment: Original 2008, never outdated and a piece of art...actually i have this one at home.

Best budget buy: JD100 & A8s

For students and 3 rd world customers: A6S



SACD owner: best choice Xindak SCD2



If you follow the advertisement...Cayin CDT15A..Excellent QC but sound performance..........only better than the CDP from outside of China

Esound

you can hardly find comment about Esound in china forum too..

they are good when compare to foreign imported cdp.

But if we have something with a score of 95, would you satisfy with Esound with a score of 90??



We are successful because we do not bias. We work for one brandname: coemaudio



- Jolida JD100 excellent sonic performance. This month we have just started this new product and we have sold out 30 pieces. Please search the
French sites for this comment. This is the best-sold item in our history. It provides also headphone convenience. Attention: this headphone amp part is excellent)))))))) So no need to buy headphone for headphone fans. The new JD100H with HDCD has been launched (all black)
- www.homecinema-fr.com please see the forum for JD100
- CD player is always the strong point of the professional manufacturer Original. No question , Original have nearly dominated the Chinese audio market for the last ten years.
- Original A6s has scored full mark in Norway audio magazine but crazy enough cost around only $2xx. Even at this price they provide metal remote control.
- The higher Original A8S $3XXhas been the best selling cdp in china for years. The export version is OEM for Cineä. Is claimed to be made in USA and
sold for USD1000 and is on the top of the list of Taiwan and beating the second one imported from USA which cost USD1300.
- Original 2008 $4XX is the full metallic version of A9s, which is an improved version of A8s. Only the metal case can worth USD500!

- Original Da Vinci $6XX with the schematic of Naim Ikemi is the new flagship of Original. But you need to have a shelf that allows it to open the top cover for top loading.
- Consonance 2.3: $9XX the best CDP available in china. But too much high price mark up so ass to control parallel-import. Not that worthwhile
- Spark CDT15a: $4XX good construction but poor sonic performance and bad image. Poor resolution. Excellent QC. But the remote control always unreliable and faulty.
- Esound is good and have a good score but they just lost a few marks only to the Original counterparts. If there is no Original CDP, this could be the king of cdp professional manufacturer in china.
- Shengya CDP are very famous because all the other Chinese cdp is still not yet shipped outside. The poor marketing skill account for this: how can you search in the Yahoo for a plain name “original”? It comes up with millions result not related. So you could see what happens that Shengya is not very recommended in the keen competition in china.
- Shanling: good looking design dominate everything. It is overpriced for the sonic performance. If you buy it for the eye then go for it.
- Xindak SCD2: the first SACD with tubes in the world. The performance without
the M-cap modification beat out the Sony 777. The first version had very big skidding problem but the consumer still prefer it because of no parallel choice and competitor. The competitor cannot even come close. The same skidding problem comes with Sony as well. The forum report was excellent even for the troublesome first version. If they had tried the third version they will be shocked.The third version has improved in the skidding management at least 95%. The LED has new and brighter display and lower interference. We have push the performance to a further limit: our special M-cap modification version make you further improvement for 30%. If you have been to the heaven , you know where is hell. More, even as a normal CD player and not playing SACD, it is good performing as well.thanks to the two individual sets of decoder for both HDCD and SACD. There is ability to work as preamp and have volume control on the remote control adds to
the convenience.nearly 80% are picking the mcap version.No kidding ..hearing is believing the great difference. I dont know people are happy so early to give a great comment before hearing the M-cap version
- Xindak DAC3: if you have an old cdp. You can keep it as a CD driver. Coupling with this DAC3 decoder(normally comparable to the product of USD2000 in the market) you are pushing the resolution of the regular CDP up the enjoyment of a SACD player. We have a record of 28 customer queueing on the waiting list for this decoder.
- The shipping charge is similar for all the
cd players. So it is not worthwhile to buy the junior versions and waste the shipping charges.

We dare to say we always give the honest report of all the products available in the market without bias .We work for only one name: COEM (Chinese OEM) If we hard- sell then this will be the story of “The wolves is coming”. We have no rooms for the small- potatoes- products in our shop.

There is no best choice because it is up to the inclination of the customer, price and outlook considerations. We hope we can give the best helping hand.

since Consonance is out of the game, then Da vinci is the best possible available CDP,
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Sobre el asunto Sheg-Ya... se confirman las sospechas. Consonance está en guerra también... <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/uhoh.gif ALT=":ein">

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Is the Sheng-Ya SV388 available? Problems with Sheng-Ya availability?

as far as we proceed, Yesterday the french agent for cayin and shengya has high profile send out a message to declare a war at the forum to the stupid merchants Catty who disclose the price on the open internet.

I believe now Consonance is stopping all grey import..tomorrrow may be shengya...at last we may find that these product will disappear from the market because of the even famous chinese brandname emerging and is selling three times cheaper.

Consonance has high profile issued a warning on banning the gray import. So this will be a disaster for...customers??? No, it is a disaster of the manufacturer itself.

In China, Consonance was already over price by 40% when compared to other similar products from other brand names.

When exported the price will be increase 4 times. Please see this comparison:



If we take the price and quality for another famous brand name MX as $100, then

Price Brand name
MX Consonance
In China
100
140

In Hong Kong
120
160

In foreign official market
400
560

Grey import / transportation included
130
182

MX gray import vs. Consonance Official
130
560



It is obvious that the competitiveness of Consonance is lower in all area. But if they control the gray imports. That is to say: foreign customer must buy from official agent at $560. But customer can buy similar products from MX through gray import, shipping charge included, at only $130.

So what do you think? Will you buy a product with FAMOUS brand name at

$560 ÷$130= 430% more expensive than buying from MX ??

We can foresee that Consonance will be selling as good as now for the following few years. But the other brand names such as MX will boost up several to ten times.

We have seen similar incident in the history. American made the very expensive air conditioners. The Japan version is 2 times cheaper. This makes the margin lower. But his boost up the sale volume by 10 to 100 times. So prosperity is in the hand of the mass-production Japanese. No one buy the American air conditioners. Eventually the American air conditioners go down to the price of the Japanese air conditioners few years later. Same thing happens in DVD, TV and cars.

I hope the boss will read about the history of Henry Ford on the marketing strategy. So may god bless them and help them make the correct strategy.

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Que queréis que os diga... yo no buscaría más y me dejaría aconsejar. Pero vosotros mismos... <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/smiley.gif ALT=":)">

Manu1oo1

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Una cosita solo... PARECE SER que Opera / Consonance ha puesto denuncias acerca de importación paralela ilegal. Se han dado casos de bloqueo de expediciones por incluir material de esta casa. Ojito con esto... Yo trataría de evitarlos, más aún con aparatos con mejor relación calidad/precio a la vista.

Manu1oo1

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Y ya termino...

La opción de transporte más lógica es el envío de aeropuerto a aeropuerto. La diferencia con enviarlo por agencia es ABISMAL (como el doble, al menos desde USA).

Una vez el material en Barajas, deberíamos contratar un despacho de aduanas (nada grave), y desde allí, y ya que hay foreros locales que se ofrecen, despachar a cada uno mediante agencia (yo podría hablarlo con Ochoa, que me comen de la mano <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=":D"> ).

Manu1oo1

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Manu...

El despacho de aduanas lo suele hacer el mismo transportista, o por lo menos lo suele ofrecer.

Estuve averiguando un poco sobre el tema de aduanas, y para resumirlo lo mas posible es que no deberiamos tener ningun problema.

Sobre todo por que es una compra PRIVADA, no se van a poner a buscar las cosquillas al envio.

Temas de costos adicionales, el IVA, seguro que cae, y los aranceles, que por lo menos en herramientas electricas eran un 8%.

La gestion de la aduana es un precio fijo, muy pequeño.

La pegatina CE, lo mismo, como no son aparatos para revender, no pasa nada.

Personalmente, con la informacion que manejo, me quedaria tranquilo con las aduanas.

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>El despacho de aduanas lo suele hacer el mismo transportista<hr></blockquote>

Es que de eso se trata... de evitar al transportista. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/smiley.gif ALT=":)">

Un ejemplo: pantalla Stewart desde USA:

* Mandada por UPS/FeDex: 560 US$ más gestiones
* Llevada al aeropuerto por el vendedor y recogida en Barajas: 200 US$ + lo que cobre el despacho (SIEMPRE menos que lo que cobra la agencia).

Diferencias para nosotros: NINGUNA. En cualquier caso, y si queremos ahorrar costes, el envío sería a Barajas u otro sitio en Madrid para reexpedir desde allí.

Digo yo...

Manu1oo1

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