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    Hablando de Blade Runner en el subforo de cine me he puesto a escuchar el disco más reciente de Vangelis en Spotify, de 2016, y el tema Rosetta es, en su motivo principal, MUY similar al tema de Buffy y Angel (el de ellos como pareja):

    El de Buffy, de Christophe Beck, Close Your Eyes:



    Rosetta de Vangelis:




    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Parece que Whedon va a seguir con los cómics de Buffy:

    JOSS WHEDON Returns to BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER - In Comic Books



    Dark Horse and 20th Century Fox are excited to give Scoobies something fresh to munch on with Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Giles. Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator Joss Whedon and Erika Alexander (Concrete Park) unite to pen the new miniseries, while artist Jon Lam (Gotham Academy, Batgirl) joins the Whedonverse for the first time. Colorist Dan Jackson (Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 10) brings the story to life. Steve Morris (Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 11) and Arielle Jovellanos (Fresh Romance) create gorgeous covers and variant covers for the four-issue miniseries.

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Giles finds Rupert Giles returning to high school! But this time—as a grown man living in a teenage body—Giles will be a student instead of a teacher. At an inner-city Los Angeles school, when a mystical influence is detected and teachers start to go missing, Giles enrolls to investigate. What he finds is more than vampires and demons . . . something unusual and frightening is happening here. If Giles can get through one day as a student, he’ll have a chance to find out who, what, and where, but high school is still hell.

    The first issue of Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Giles goes on sale February 28, 2018 and is available for preorder at your local comic shop.
    aluceO ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Rolling Stone hizo un Top 40 de villanos en TV y en el #33 aparecen los Gentlemen de Hush:

    40 Greatest TV Villains of All Time

    33. The Gentlemen, 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer'
    Faith, Angelus, Spike, Drusilla, Glory, the Mayor, Dark Willow: Joss Whedon's influential horror-action-teen-drama hybrid had no shortage of memorable baddies, big and otherwise. But sometimes one episode is all it takes to cement your place in the horror hall of fame, and that's the deal with the Gentlemen — the smiling, silent, spectral stars of the landmark episode "Hush." Other Buffy villains may have wreaked more havoc or broken more hearts, but these entities were genuine nightmare fuel.
    Última edición por Synch; 12/10/2017 a las 00:42
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Creo que esto no lo había visto nunca: un ranking de TODA la serie.

    The Best Buffy the Vampire Slayer Episodes: Every Episode Ranked

    Del ranking destaco que inicialmente la 5a (y la 2a) temporada se llevan bastantes palos para luego pasar el protagonismo a las 6a y 7a temporadas. Destaca, como siempre, la 3a, la cual es la que más tarda en aparecer regularmente en la lista (siempre hablo del último lugar al primero). Conforme nos acercamos a las 25 primeras toman protagonismo los episodios de siempre y en cuanto a temporadas destacan la 2a, 3a, 4a (esos puntos álgidos de la 4a son muy álgidos) y 5a.

    También destaco que de los 25 primeros hay 13 episodios escritor y dirigidos por Joss Whedon (en las posiciones 23, 17, 14, y el Top 11 entero salvo el #9).

    El Top 25, va:

    (entre paréntesis, la temporada a la que pertenece)
    (en negrita los del creador)
    (añado marca si es final de temporada, "FT")

    25. Band Candy (3)
    24. Two To Go/Grave (6) (FT)
    23. This Year Girl/Who Are You (4)
    22. Fear, Itself (4)
    21. Tabula Rasa (6)
    20. The Prom (3)
    19. The Zeppo (3)
    18. Helpless (3)
    17. Family (5)
    16. Fool For Love (5)
    15. Conversations With Dead People (7)
    14. Prophecy Girl (1) (FT)
    13. Selfless (7)
    12. Passion (2)
    11. Chosen (7) (FT)
    10. Doppelgangland (3)
    9. The Wish (3)
    8. Graduation Day 1 & 2 (3) (FT)
    7. Surprise/Innocence (2)
    6. Restless (4) (FT)
    5. The Gift (5) (FT)
    4. Hush (4)
    3. Becoming Part 1 & 2 (2) (FT)
    2. Once More With Feeling (6)
    1. The Body (5)
    03karina09 ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Otro top, en este caso Top 25 en Den of Geek

    The 25 Best Buffy The Vampire Slayer Episodes

    (en negrita finales de temporada)

    Menciones honorables:

    Chosen (7x22), Conversations With Dead People (7x07) y Angel (1x07).

    25. Selfless (7x05)
    24. Enemies (3x17)
    23. Prophecy Girl (1x12)
    22. School Hard (2x03)
    21. Helpless (3x12)
    20. Lovers Walk (3x08)
    19. Band Candy (3x06)
    18. Consequences (3x15)
    17. Who Are You (4x16)
    16. Earshot (3x18)
    15. The Gift (5x22)
    14. The Zeppo (3x13)
    13. The Wish (3x09)
    12. Doppelgangland (3x16)
    11. New Moon Rising (4x19)
    10. Innocence (2x14)
    9. Passion (2x17)
    8. Wild at Heart (4x06)
    7. Fool For Love (5x07)
    6. Hush (4x10)
    5. Restless (4x22)
    4. Once More, With Feeling (6x07)
    3. The Body (5x16)
    2. Graduation Day Part 1&2 (3x21 y 3x22)
    1. Becoming Part 1&2 (2x21 y 2x22).
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Mi guilty pleasure, una de las primeras series a las que me enganché en mi adolescencia, la veía cada verano en Canal Plus, en el dial 4 donde emitían contenido en abierto, deseaba que llegase el verano para verla, recuerdo su emision diaría sobre las 20:00. Hace 1-2 años empezaron a reponerla en SyFy creo, pero duró poco.
    Serie de culto sin duda.
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    https://twitter.com/TheRealDocJota

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    El usuario Passion of the Nerd, en youtube, lleva como 3 años haciendo vídeos de cada episodio De Buffy y Angel, analizando sus escenas, las metáforas, lo que se pretende, comparando con otros episodios, series, películas y, si se tercia, literatura, psicología, filosofía y demás en unos brillantes trabajos de edición de audio y vídeo que deben costarle su tiempo y esfuerzo, sin duda.

    Destaco el más reciente porque es el de Hush:

    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Uno de los caballeros de ese capítulo es Doug Jones, el que hace de anfibio en la última de Guillermo Del Toro (la forma del agua) o el fauno en El laberinto del Fauno o Saru en Star Trek discovery
    Synch ha agradecido esto.

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    Artículo que repasa el proceder de los guionistas en Buffy a partir de un escrito de Jane Espenson en su web:



    How Joss Whedon and the Buffy writers’ room broke episodes

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    El escrito original:

    I’ve been asked to describe the writing process on a Joss Whedon show. I am primarily a Buffy writer, and I’m not in the Firefly writing room that often, but the general procedure is similar.

    Okay, first there is the idea. This is usually something that Joss brings in, and it always begins with the main character – in my case, almost always with Buffy. We spend a lot of time discussing her emotional state, and how we want her to change over the course of the season. Frequently this in itself will suggest a story area – we will find a story in which we explore her mental state metaphorically. The episode “Same Time, Same Place,” was centered around Willow… we wanted to explore her emotional distance from the other characters. This turned into a story in which no one could see or touch Willow and vice versa. The episode “Conversations with Dead People” dealt in part with Buffy’s ambivalent feelings about her calling. She explored the feelings during a mock therapy session with a vampire she was destined to kill. Notice that the episode ideas *begin* with “what is she going through” and never with “what would be a cool Slaying challenge?”.

    Once we have the central theme of the episode, and we understand how the main character will change during it, we begin “breaking” the story. This is done as a group, with the entire staff participating, except for anyone who is currently out writing the script for the previous week’s episode. Breaking the story means organizing it into acts and scenes. When the break is complete, the white board in the anteroom to Joss’s office is covered in blue marker, with a brief ordered description of each scene.

    The first step in breaking an episode, once we know what the story is about, is deciding on the act breaks. These are the moments before each commercial that introduce danger or unexpected revelations into the story… the moments that make you come back after the commercials. Finding these moments in the story help give it shape: think of them as tentpoles that support the structure.

    Selecting the moments that will be the act breaks is crucial. Writers who are just starting out, writing sample scripts that they will use to find that first job, often fail to realize this – I remember changing what the act break would be in a script because I wanted it to fall on the correct page. This is a bad sign. The act break moments should be clear and large. In my Firefly episode, “Shindig,” the third act ends with Mal stabbed, badly injured, in danger of losing the duel. It does not end when Mal turns the fight around, when he stands victorious over his opponent. They’re both big moments, but one of them leaves you curious and the other doesn’t.

    After the act breaks are set, the writers work together to fill in the surrounding scenes. When this is done, there is one white board full of material. At this point the work-dynamic changes completely, and it stops being a group project. At this point, the single author of the episode takes over. She takes the broken story and turns it into an outline. (Or possibly a “beat sheet,” a less detailed version of an outline.)

    An outline is usually between nine and fourteen pages of typed material that fleshes out the broken story. It clarifies the attitudes of the characters, the order in which events happen within scenes, and often includes sample dialogue and jokes. A writer usually writes an outline in a single day.

    The complete outline is turned in to the showrunners — Joss Whedon and Marti Noxon on Buffy or Joss and Tim Minear on Firefly. The writer is given notes on the outline very quickly, usually within the day. These notes are often quite brief and almost always have to do with the *tone* of the scenes – “make sure this doesn’t get too silly,” or “I see this as more genuinely scary.”

    At that point, the writer starts work, writing the script itself. Many of the writers go home to do this. They are excused from story breaking until their first draft is done. (The rest of the staff, of course, moves on to breaking the next episode.) The writing of a first draft takes anywhere from three days to two weeks, depending on the demands of production. Sometimes the production schedule requires that more than one writer work on a given episode, splitting it into halves or even thirds – interestingly, this often results in very nice episodes and isn’t as jarring as you might expect, because we’ve all learned to write in the same style.

    The first draft turns a dozen-page outline into approximately 52 pages of action and dialogue. People outside the writing process are sometimes disappointed to learn that we are following a detailed outline. They feel that there can be little creative work left to do in the actual writing, but this is not the case. This is, in fact, the most exciting and freeing part of the process… every word spoken, every punch thrown, is spelled out by the writer at this stage. For me, this, more than during filming, is when the episode actually becomes *real*.

    After the first draft is turned in, the writer gets another set of notes. These may be light or extensive, but on a Joss Whedon show, these rarely result in a rethinking of the episode. The broken story remains the same, although the words expressing it may change. Even an extensive note session rarely lasts more than an hour, and usually is much shorter than that. The writer takes these notes and in the next few days, produces a second draft. Buffy scripts usually go to a third draft and sometimes a fourth, but by the end of the process the changes become very small indeed – “change this word” or “cut this joke.”

    At the end of the process, Joss or Marti or Tim usually take the script and make a quick rewriting pass of their own. This produces the shooting draft.

    Then it is filmed!

    Congratulations – that’s an episode!
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Voy a ir añadiendo rankings de las mejores temporadas de Buffy según distintos medios/webs/fans etc

    Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Ranking Every Season From Worst To Best

    Ranking (de mejor a peor) (añaden mejor episodio de cada una)

    -Segunda (Becoming 1 & 2)
    -Tercera (Dopplegangland)
    -Quinta (The Body)
    -Primera (Prophecy Girl)
    -Sexta (Once Moren,, With Feeling)
    -Cuarta (Hush)
    -Séptima (Chosen)

    -----------

    Every Season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Ranked From Worst to Best

    Ranking (de mejor a peor)

    -Tercera
    -Segunda
    -Primera
    -Cuarta
    -Quinta
    -Sexta
    -Séptima

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    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    El próximo 28 de febrero se publicará la nueva línea de cómics dentro del Buffyverse, en este caso centrada en el personaje de Rupert Giles. Escrito entre Whedon y Erika Alexander, el dibujante Jon Lam (el cual tiene bocetos publicados en su cuenta de Instagram) y el colorista Dan Jackson.

    Joss Whedon & Erika Alexander Send Buffy’s Giles Back to School

    The majority of movie-going audiences know Joss Whedon from the superhero blockbusters he has directed, namely The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron and Justice League, which he took over after Zack Snyder left the production due to a personal tragedy. Yet the properties which first made him famous — Firefly/Serenity and Buffy the Vampire Slayer — have sizeable fanbases, with cult followings still rabid for anything new.

    The primary source of new material for those shows have been series from Dark Horse Comics, specifically Buffy comic books. While the TV show had a companion comic from 1998-2003, after the show finished its seven season run, the story continued in a pivotal series aptly titled Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight. This ongoing was popular enough to lead to Season Nine, Ten and Eleven, as well as various miniseries and graphic novels. Whedon was the writer or co-writer for most of Season Eight and the start of Nine, but has been absent from the Buffy comics since. That is, until now.

    Buffy fans, rejoice. Whedon is back to co-write a miniseries about one of the core members of the Scooby Gang, Rupert Giles, played in live-action by Anthony Stewart Head. And Whedon has brought along another creative you may recognize from film and TV, Erika Alexander. As an actress, Alexander is best known for her role as Max on the Emmy-winning sitcom Living Single, but her more recent credits include the acclaimed film Get Out and the television series Bosch. Alexander also has comic book experience, as the co-writer of Dark Horse’s Concrete Park. Whedon and Alexander have cooked up a plot that involves Giles’ adult mind in a teen body, heading to high school in Los Angeles. Sounds fun, right?

    CBR had a chance to pick the brains of both Joss Whedon and Erika Alexander about the four-issue Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Giles series, scheduled to debut with issue #1 on Feb. 28, with art by Jon Lam and Dan Jackson. We get the down low on Giles’ new status quo, his co-star Roux, which other Buffyverse characters we may see, and even managed to sneak in a question about that long-proposed Ripper TV show.




    CBR: Joss, you killed Giles because you didn’t feel he worked in the comic book format. Did you have plans to resurrect him and send him to high school when you decided to kill him off?

    Joss Whedon: I wouldn’t say he didn’t work — just, Buffy didn’t need a mentor (actually she did, but there is a time in your life where you have to walk through the world without them) and I needed a resonant moment. I remember telling Tony at Comic-Con… he was sad, but he got it. The bringing him back as a 12 year old came later. I liked the idea that Angel’s next arc was redemptive, but that the results were not what he expected. And then it was straight-up whimsy, which the books have exploited hilariously and poignantly.

    I couldn’t bear the thought of him not having an arc of his own, and I thought throwing him into the American public school system would be the source of both fish-out-of-water hijinks and a chance to talk about something that’s important to me.

    How much does the inner city Los Angeles setting of the series shape the story?

    Erika Alexander: Los Angeles is a big part of this series. And why not, LA is a gorgeous, roaming, stucco, cement butterfly that provides a big canvas for us to play with. It’s also its own character in this mystery. Its sprawling highways help guide us to fun, new characters with their own quirks and mythologies.

    Giles, on the other hand, is a fish-out-of-water in a double bind, because he’s locked in his teenage self, undercover, in a city high school battling a strange “virus.” Joss wanted Giles to explore rich, thorny issues like class, gender, race and privilege. The types of issues that someone raised in the city can’t escape. City kids also have to deal with puberty, college applications, the prom and constantly being bombarded with traffic, ads, branding and noise campaigns ad nauseam. It’s all competing for their mind space, a total energy vampire. The landscape adds an element of pressure and overwhelm that seems to suffocate individuality and breed conformity. It’s ironic that many students who grow up in these environments turn out to be great individualists and iconoclasts. So, after the initial shock, Giles will use his migrant abilities to adapt and fit right in.

    What can you share about Giles’ “mysterious new friend” Roux?

    Alexander: Roux is a student attending Living Legend Academy and Charter School and she’s got a secret. Well, she’s got lots of secrets. As a self-proclaimed “Watcher” she spends her day guarding her ward and she’s a bit of a busy body, so she’ll clash with Giles’ investigation. Roux has survived a tragic, complicated past and now she spends her time ruminating on how to survive the future and can she get a date to the prom. In that way Giles and Roux are two of a kind.

    Will other main Buffyverse characters appear in this series?

    Alexander: Yes, beautiful Willow will make a cameo. She’s Giles confidante and connection to his other life. She reminds him that while sailing the ocean he should be careful not to fall over the edge.

    Artist Jon Lam is a newcomer to the Buffyverse. What made him the right fit for this series?

    Alexander: Jon’s work rocks and he has a beautiful sense and sensibility for story. That’s a killer recipe.

    Do you think about Anthony Stewart Head when you write young Giles?

    Alexander: I do. As Giles, Anthony did a wonderful portrayal and he is beloved, but I for this project think of Joss more. I mean, isn’t he the original template for the character Giles? Joss’ dry sense of humor, quick intelligence, shyness, and self-deprecating existential battles are charming and make a rich palette for my ear. So, that’s a lot of who this young Giles is now.

    Is adult Giles in his teenage body a spin on when adult Giles reverted back to his teenage self in the show in “Band Candy”?

    Alexander: Joss would have to answer that, but that’s a great guess.

    Whedon: Not really. Giles in “Band Candy” was a teen in an adult body. Here he’s the opposite, a 50-something guy in an even younger teen’s body. The fun here is, his mind knows way too much, but his hormonal little body is calling way more of the shots than he’s been used to for a while. When we’re out of that phase we think we remember it, but the physical and mental taffy-stretching-machine of adolescence is something you have to be feeling to truly understand. We make it an origin story after the fact: how I came to be me. During… well, it is an origin story, but it’s the falling-in-a-vat-of-radioactive-acid kind.



    In terms of look and personality, Giles would probably be considered a nerd in school. Any possibility of a story about bullying? I imagine that his knowledge and experience would make him the wrong kid to pick on.

    Alexander: Hey, maybe you should write this series, because you’re right on time! [Laughs] Yes, bullying does come up in this high school, as it would any. But our Giles is uniquely armed to handle it. Imagine, you get to go back to school as your young self with your adult mind? Boo-yah! Now deja vu becomes foresight. Dude, it’s Freaky Friday meets the Matrix with an 8-Ball. Sweet.

    Being a big fan of classic rock and a guitarist, what’s the likelihood of Giles starting a garage band in high school?

    Alexander: The 8-Ball says, “Not so likely,” at least in this iteration. But a Giles Playlist is embedded in this series, so that’s something.

    Whedon: I thought no one did that any more, but my son’s in a band and he and his friends are voraciously listening to all the old stuff. So, I guess it’s a real possibility. Of course, Giles would be insufferably exacting and his band mates would constantly be quitting.

    RELATED: Joss Whedon Is Writing A New Buffy The Vampire Slayer Comic

    Is there any possibility of that Ripper spinoff series still happening?

    Alexander: Joss, are you listening? We’re all hoping. Ruminating.

    Whedon: I will never give up hope on that one. And Tony seems to be getting younger in real life, too…

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Giles #1 is scheduled for release on Feb. 28.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Passion of the Nerd sigue analizando cada episodio de Buffy y Angel en excelentes vídeos. Y lejos de parecer un fan apasionado: es un tipo formado, serio y preciso. Se toma su tiempo pero si los vídeos mantienen esta calidad ya me vale:

    Esa semana tocaba Doomed, 4x11:

    Charles Lee Ra ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Se cumplen 20 años de la dupla que cambió Buffy: Surprise/Innocence.

    Un par de artículos:

    HOW THE EPISODES 'SURPRISE' AND 'INNOCENCE' TOOK BUFFY TO THE NEXT LEVEL

    Buffy Lost Her Virginity And Changed Television 20 Years Ago
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Otra de listas, en este caso de los 10 mejores momentos de BtVS según msmojo

    Top 10 Unforgettable Buffy The Vampire Slayer Moments



    1. Buffy sacrificando a Angel (Becoming, Part 2, final temporada 2)

    2. Buffy sacrificándose (The Gift, final temporada 5)

    3. Muerte de Joyce (The Body, temporada 5)

    4. Muerte de Tara (Seeing Red, temporada 6)

    5. Buffy perdiendo su virginidad con Angel y consecuencias (Surprise & Innocence, temporada 2)

    6. Batalla final contra el Primer mal (Chosen, final temporada 7 y serie)

    7. Buffy y Spike besándose (sin que sea un sueño) (Once More, With Feeling, temporada 6)

    8. Buffy y Faith cambiando de cuerpo (Who Are You, temporada 4)

    9. Sunnydale sin Buffy (The Wish, temporada 3)

    10. Oz deja a Willow (Wild at Heart, temporada 4)

    Menciones honoríficas:

    -Anya en el altar (Hell's Bells, temporada 6)
    -Buffy no regresó mal (Dead Things, temporada 6)
    -La explosión del Alcalde (Graduation Day, part 2, final temporada 3)
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    En un pack DVD/BD de Angel hay una carta de Joss Whedon citando lo que para él fue más interesante en la serie:

    For your listy goodness, a few of the moments herein that made my life worth living:

    -Angel locking a roomful of lawyers in with two peckish vampire gals.

    -Buffy swearing never to forget her time with Angel, right before she does.

    -Faith in the rain, begging Angel to kill her.

    -Princess Cordelia.

    -Darla's horrified accusation, "While Spike - SPIKE - was out killing a Slayer, you were busy saving Missionaries! ...From me. (True emotional vampire logic, courtesy of Tim Minear.)

    -Lilah dressing up like Fred to seduce Wesley. (Gentlemen, start your therapists!)

    -Any and all karaoke.

    -Fred and Wesley, deeply drunk.

    -Gunn in the White Room, meeting his match.

    -The biggest, bloodiest and most personal Spike/Angel fight we've ever shot.

    -The silliest, most pointless Spike/Angel argument we've ever shot.

    -Dude, puppets!


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    Branagh/Doyle ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Artículo en The AV Club, muy de acuerdo en casi todo:

    10 episodes of Angel that show how it was more than Buffy redux

    Los episodios, en orden de emisión:

    To Shanshu In L.A. (1x22)

    Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been (2x02)

    Fredless (3x05)

    Birthday (3x11)

    Waiting in the Wings (3x13)

    Forgiving (3x17)

    Soulless (4x11)

    Smile Time (5x14)

    A Hole in the World (5x15)

    Not fade Away (5x22)
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Más de listas:

    El Top 10 de episodios favoritos de Joss Whedon. Coincido como que mucho con esa lista aunque no en el orden. Elige 8 escritor y dirigidos por él mismo (y otro co-escrito sin acreditar) aunque en cualquier Top de la serie sus episodios son mayoría, siempre.

    1. Innocence
    2. Once More, With Feeling
    3. Hush
    4. The Body
    5. Dopplegangland
    6. The Wish
    7. Becoming Part II
    8. Restless
    9. Conversations with Dead People
    10. Prophecy Girl



    Ya que estamos, me casco el mío, aunque lo improviso sobre la marcha:

    1. Once More, With Feeling
    2. The Body
    3. The Gift
    4. Hush
    5. Becoming Part I & II
    6. Graduation Day Part I&II
    7. The Wish
    8. The Zeppo
    9. Restless
    10. Innocence
    Branagh/Doyle ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Análisis de A New Man en el canal Passion of the Nerd:

    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Se me olvidó comentar que el pasado día 10 de marzo falleció Michael Gershman, director de foto de la mayoría de episodios de Buffy y director de 10 episodios entre los cuales destaco Passion, This Year's Girl y Seeing Red. Whedon le dedicó un tuit<:

    TV fantasy was all fisheye lenses and purple gels. With a budget of zero dollars DP (later director) MICHAEL GERSHMAN made Buffy look grown up and gorgeous. It helped define the show more than people know. Great guy, great eye. R.I.P.

    Acompañado de esta imagen de Prophecy Girl (1x12)



    Curiosamente días más tarde Whedon escribió dos tuits en los que parece está revisando la serie:

    Going through old episodes of Buffy, I’m struck by two things:
    The first is how weirdly topicaI I wish this show hadn’t become #Parkland #heroes #MarchForOurLives


    Aquí lo acompañaba con un vídeo de ese gran momento de Becoming Part 1 en el que Joyce conoce la realidad de Buffy como cazadora.

    Y otro más:

    The second thing:
    HOW RIDICULOUSLY GREAT @SarahMGellar IS


    E insertaba un vídeo del mismo Prophecy Girl, cuando Buffy conoce la profecía en la que se dice va a morir. Hacía mucho que no le leía un piropo a Sarah Michelle Gellar. Mola.

    Está viendo episodios tras lo de Gershman? O porque se ha anunciado la 12a temporada de Buffy (la 5a en cómic) y quiere ponerse al día? (algo posible aunque el tipo tiene un control alucinante de lo ocurrido en su serie, se parece a mi, se sabe datos, fechas.. Parece un fan ).
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Artículo en el que eligen episodios que no suelen entrar en los Top de listas de mejores o favoritos episodios de la serie:

    Nightmares (1x10)
    What's My Line (2x09 y 2x10)
    Lover's Walk (3x08)
    New Moon Rising (4x19)
    Crush (5x14)
    Bargaining Part One & Two (6x01 y 6x02)
    Storyteller (7x16
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Más tops, va. Un Top 10 de Angel y uno de Buffy por el canal Council of Geeks

    Top 10 Angel:

    1. Not Fade Away (5x22)
    2. Sime Time (5x14)
    3. A Hole in the World (5x15)
    4. You're Welcome (5x12)
    5. Waiting in the Wings (3x13)
    6. Sleep Tight (3x16)
    7. Hero (1x09)
    8. Lullaby (3x09)
    9. Apocalypse Nowish (4x07)
    10. Are You Now or Have You Ever Been? (2x02)



    Top 10 Buffy:

    1. Becoming Parts One & Two (2x21 y 2x22)
    2. Lie To Me (2x07)
    3. The Body (5x16)
    4. Hush (4x10)
    5. Surprise/Innocence (2x13 y 2x14)
    6. Once More, With Feeling (6x07)
    7. Restless (4x22)
    8. Chosen (7x22)
    9. Grave (6x22)
    10.Doppelgangland (3x16)

    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Otro Top 10 del usario Common Spence

    1. The Wish (3x09)
    2. Once More, With Feeling (6x07)
    3. Two To Go & Grave (6x21 y 6x22)
    4. The Gift (5x22)
    5. Hush (4x10)
    6. Becoming Part One & Two (2x21 y 2x22)
    7. Innocence (2x14)
    8. Prophecy Girl (1x12)
    9. Tabula Rasa (6x08)
    10. The Zeppo (3x13)

    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Gran artículo con entrevistas con Whedon y algunos de los actores. Tiene pinta de proceder del 20 aniversario de la serie pero es sólo suposición:

    'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' Cast Opens Up About the Making of the Epic Cult TV Show
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Tour por las localizaciones de Buffy y Angel, va:

    Este tipo subió dos vídeos en 2010 (los almacenes cochambrosos donde se rodaba los interiores de Buffy y todo lo que era exteriores tipo-Friends, es decir, recreado en estudio, está ya derruido):

    Parte 1:



    Parte 2:



    Otro usuario resumió las localizaciones vía maps. En este se pueden ver tomas de los almacenes de cuando se realizaba aún el rodaje: la gran nave donde rodaban los interiores de la casa Summers, del Bronze, del instituto, del apartamento de Giles, de la Magic Box... Así como los exteriores de la calle principal de Sunnydale, incluidos el cine, café y entrada al Bronze; así como la cripta de Spike y un pequeño cementerio (usaban otros, reales, para tomas mayores).

    También tomas aéreas de lo ya visto en los dos primeros vídeos en cuanto a localizaciones externas, como el instituto de Torrance, la casa real de las Summers, la casa de Angel...

    Charles Lee Ra y jessMI13 han agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Artículo sobre la 6a temporada. No del todo de acuerdo, pero vaya:

    How Buffy the Vampire Slayer’s Most Hated Season Became Its Most Important

    Buffy Season 6 is often maligned as the worst of the series—but with its prescient geek-gone-bad villains, the show had its finger on the pulse of something huge.
    adarbe ha agradecido esto.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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