Tema: Proyectores: Tendencias 2006

De todas formas como bien he dicho arriba, de aqui a las proximas navidades habre cambiado de tarjeta de nuevo, si mi actual grafica ATI ya soporta HDCP no tendre ningun problema por ese lado con la siguiente.

Entonces... ¿Abrimos una Hucha para empezar a ahorrar al siguiente 1080p?

como está el patio .. 1920x1080 para un juego de pc que tiene las texturas todavía en la edad de piedra, por no decir la geometría, que todavía deja mucho que desear .. no seamos exagerados, con 720p puedes sacarle todo el partido a los juegos actuales (y futuros). En realidad un juego a 1024x768 con los filtros a tope ya se convierte en un auténtico lujo en cuanto a suavidad de la imagen.

Si quieres jugar a 1920x1080 te tendrás que poner muy cerca de la pantalla si quieres ver de verdad todo el detalle que esa resolución es capaz de mostrar. Y ya os digo que los juegos no están tan detallados como para usar esas resoluciones (pos no queda ni na) aunque eso sí, para cine en casa sí veo que esta resolución es un avance al que se le puede sacar partido, usando películas de alta definición.

¿La texturas en la edad de piedra?
¿Has visto lo que hacen los Shaders3 en 720p con Xbox360?

No quiero desviar el tema del hilo, pero voy contestarte rapidamente al tema de la resolucion, si notaste diferencia de jugar a 800x600 a 1280x1024 en un monitor normal, imaginate si hay diferencia de 1280x720 a 1920x1080 en una pantalla de 2,5 metros de base.

Creo que estas equivocado completamente . Anda que no hay diferencia de ver un juego a 720p o verlo a 1080 p . ¿ Texturas en la edad de piedra ' ein ? Estooo que no hablamos de una ps2 ;) Bueno ya te pondre alguna captura a 2046 , a ver si ves la difererncia con 1024 ;)

edit/ pincha, una vez abierta pincha otra vez y la veras a 2046 x 1536







"Solo" 1600 x 1200 pincha, una vez abierta pincha otra vez





El asunto es al reves de como tu lo dices. Con la mitad de resolucion te tendras que ir para atras al doble de distancia de la pantalla para que de la misma sensacion de definicion . O dicho de otra manera , con 1080 p te puedes acercar a la mitad de la distancia que con 720 p y lo vas a ver igual de definido.... si acompaña la fuente claro ;);),

.. de qué me sirve tanta resolución (en los juegos) si luego estoy viendo los ángulos rectos en objetos que deberían ser curvos? es este un avance lógico?

creo que nos hemos ido offtopic xddd

Si, la verdad es que os habéis ido un poco del Topic. y creo que es mejor que retomemos el asunto original.

Un saludo, Javier G.

Gracias javierg.

Un colaborador de una revista de home cinema de Noruega ha visto fotos del H81.

Se acabó el diseño cajazapatos: es muy similar a un Sim2.

Habrá dos versiones de proyector 1080p: el H80 y el H81. La diferencia es que el H80 tendrá todos los conectores internamente y el H81 tendría una caja para todas las conexiones: 4 HDMI, 4 YUV, etc.

El Optoma 720p barato-barato se llamará H72 y también tendrá un diseño nuevo y bonito.

4 HDMI

:alloro

Optoma -Themescene ha già in pentola due nuovi proiettori DLP HI-end che potrebbero arrivare in Italia già quest'anno. Si tratta dei modelli H79 e H81..



Le specifiche dell' H81:

ruota colore: 7x a 12 segmenti
luminosità : 1500 lumens
contrasto : 8000:1
Rumorosità : 21 dB
durata della lampada : 4000 h
zoom e fuoco motorizzati, idem lens shift
DVI + HDCP, BNC (RBGHV/component video), YUV, composito, S-video, dual +12 V trigger relays, RS-232, 2 ricevitori IR



modello H79:

rota colore 5x a 8 segmenti
luminosità : 1000 lumens
contrasto : 4000:1
rumore : 23 dB
durata della lampada : 3000 h
zoom e fuoco motorizzati, lens shift manuale
stessi ingressi del fratello maggiore.



Monteranno il darkchip 3, i prezzi non sono ancora dati a sapere ma presumo in linea coi dati di contrasto

Le specifiche dell' H81:

ruota colore: 7x a 12 segmenti
luminosità : 1500 lumens
contrasto : 8000:1
Rumorosità : 21 dB
durata della lampada : 4000 h
zoom e fuoco motorizzati, idem lens shift
DVI + HDCP, BNC (RBGHV/component video), YUV, composito, S-video, dual +12 V trigger relays, RS-232, 2 ricevitori IR

yyyyyyyyyyy...................1080P

Optoma decided to volume produce projectors that adopt TI’s 1080p chips (H81) in the second quarter of 2006, according to Telly Kuo, Optoma vice president

FUENTE

Levanto el hilo para preguntar por los futuros 1080p.
¿Hay alguna noticia con respecto a la proxima generacion de LCD´s?

Gnom4, me alegro de verte por aqui otra vez.


Un saludo y feliz navidad.

edit, no va la broma ;)

Gn0m4, me uno al saludo de kaesarfly. Es bueno verte por aquí.

Saludos y feliz navidad

BenQ utilizará tratamiento de vídeo HQV en todos sus modelos

BENQ AND SILICON OPTIX PARTNER TO BRING HQV PROCESSING TO NEXT-GENERATION PROJECTORS


Las Vegas, NV—(January 04, 2006)— BenQ and Silicon Optix have partnered to develop new lines of ground-breaking home cinema, home entertainment and dual use business projectors that will substantially raise the performance and feature bars for the industry.

"Our goal is to be the world's dominant supplier of dual-use data and home theater projectors," said Peter Chen, Vice President and General Manager of BenQ's Digital Media Business Group. "We searched hard for a partner that has the depth and breadth of technology and capability that can help us to achieve that goal."

"We were impressed with Silicon Optix because of their landmark HQV technology and their commitment to innovation and image quality. Only Silicon Optix offered a no compromise processor delivering the best image quality for both HD and SD images," continued Mr. Chen. "By adding HQV processing, we'll offer stunning visual performance across all lines of our products."

HQV® processing encompasses true 10-bit video processing, full four-field motion-adaptive video de-interlacing for both standard-definition and high-definition signals, pixel-by-pixel temporal-recursive noise reduction, automatic multi-cadence detection, and pixel-based detail enhancement. It also uses the same video processing power—one trillion operations per second— as the $60k Teranex Xantus box.

The BenQ projectors will also take advantage of Silicon Optix's exclusive advanced real-time warping and scaling engine to scale resolutions for correcting extreme keystone angles in both horizontal and vertical dimensions or for projecting on curved or warped surfaces while maintaining full image integrity.

Cinetron (una empresa taiwanesa) lanza un proyector LCoS 1080p con tratamiento HQV.

Infocus presenta tres nuevos DLP

InFocus Sets the Ultimate Stage to Play Big; InFocus Play Big: Digital Projection Has Never Looked So Good

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InFocus brings home entertainment to a new level with the introduction of the Play Big series of digital home projectors. With curved lines, a high-gloss black finish and satin chrome accents, the projectors connect to home-electronic devices including: DVD players, satellite receivers, high-definition broadcast receivers, TVs, computers, and major video game consoles.

WILSONVILLE, Ore.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 3, 2006--Knowing the action is just minutes away, the crowd cheers in anticipation of the raw energy about to rush over them. Rock concert or football game, being there used to be the only way to experience the intensity and thrill of these moments. Not anymore. Now fans at home can share in the excitement, fill their field of vision with the action and surround themselves with the experience. InFocus(R) (Nasdaq:INFS), the industry pioneer and leader in the projection market, brings the world a new level of entertainment at home with the introduction of the InFocus Play Big series of digital home projectors.

InFocus introduces the Play Big entertainment portfolio, delivering outstanding performance with a look reminiscent of a sports car. Design meets digital projection with a stylish edge including curved lines with a high-gloss black finish and satin chrome accents to complement any decor whether the lights are on or off.

And the view is breathtaking. InFocus Play Big projectors are brighter than most plasma TVs and offer consumers the best value per diagonal inch for big screen viewing. InFocus Play Big produces a stunning image ranging from 60" to filling a wall with 144" diagonal. All this in a clean, sculptural package that can be proudly displayed in any home environment.

"InFocus' innovation is hard at work in the Play Big portfolio," said Scott Ballantyne, chief marketing officer, InFocus. "With the combination of style, a vivid picture and affordability, InFocus is creating a new category of digital projection that delivers a theater size experience in an affordable, easy to use and sleek package."

Big Picture Solutions

The new InFocus Play Big IN72, IN74EX and IN76 fill the wall, or a screen, with bright, vivid and crisp images, capturing every detail of a movie, sporting event, video game or other big picture viewing event. Whether it's the most hilarious line in a comedy, a suspenseful plot twist in a drama or the moment the underdog team makes an incredible comeback, InFocus Play Big projectors deliver an amazing big picture experience.

-- For consumers looking for their first home entertainment system, the InFocus Play Big IN72 is an affordable 480p resolution projector bringing the big picture experience to home entertainment and gaming.

-- The InFocus Play Big IN74EX features native 576p resolution, which provides a nice balance between DVD resolution and HDTV. The IN74EX is available exclusively through authorized custom home theater dealers.

-- The InFocus Play Big IN76 is a performance-rich 720p native HD front projector, bringing a superb big theater experience to the home of the video enthusiast.

The Play Big portfolio is easy to use, featuring auto-ceiling mount detection, integrated table-top pedestal, quiet operation and a patented low light pollution case. The perfect choice for the discerning home theater enthusiast, the Play Big projectors feature true 16:9 aspect ratio and video optimized light output, colors and contrast (model dependent) for excellent video quality and an image larger than traditional plasma, LCD or RPTV options.

InFocus Play Big projectors easily connect to nearly any home-electronic device including: DVD players, satellite receivers, high-definition broadcast receivers, TVs, computers, and major video game consoles. They include an integrated cable cover to hide unwanted wires when ceiling mounted and a unique, integrated swivel pedestal that simplifies tabletop set-up and is easily removed for ceiling mount applications.

InFocus Play Big includes the latest Texas Instruments(R) enhanced definition DLP(TM) (Digital Light Processing) chip, the benchmark for video projection. The video image is enhanced with Pixelworks(TM) DNX video processing for superb brightness, contrast and overall video quality. All models come calibrated to D65 color standards to ensure cinema-quality color reproduction. Additionally, InFocus Play Big projectors include the latest inputs such as HDMI (high definition multimedia interface), which provides the easiest and highest-quality video interface available from DVD players, HD receivers and new HD game consoles enabled with HDCP (high-bandwidth digital contents protection).

With the introduction of Play Big, consumers can select their stage of choice, sit back and let InFocus Play Big do the rest.

Availability:

The InFocus Play Big projectors will be available in Q1 2006. The InFocus Play Big IN72 will be available for $1,299, the IN74EX is priced at $1,999 and the IN76 is $2,999. For more information about InFocus Play Big and complementary products, please visit www.infocus.com.

Nuevo proyector 720p de Optoma

Due for launch first thing in 2006, the ThemeScene HD72 represents Optoma's second large push in the 720p DLP market. Not so long ago, the H77 (upgraded to H78, then ultimately becoming the H79!) shook home cinema foundations when it was launched at a price of £4,000, several thousand pounds cheaper than it's closest competitor. The H79 has since gone from strength to strength, slaying many giants on the way. But now it has a baby brother, the HD72.

The H72 is based on Texas Instruments new 1280 x 768 DLP chipset utilising DC2 technology. As with most projectors being shipped with this new budget DLP chip, the H72 boasts BrilliantColour technology but rather than use the partnering DDP3020 chip for video processing Optoma have gone with a far more exciting Faroudja based approach! The DCDi directional deinterlacing should give quite a dynamic image from video sources such as satellite television, which combined with the H72s high brightness is likely to make this a very, very popular projector.

Optoma's Zero Dead Pixels Policy on Themescene HD72


Optoma will gaurantee you a pixel-defect free projector, or a brand new replacement unit!

Optoma Themescene H72 Preliminary Specification
- 1300 ANSI Lumens
- 1280 x 768 resolution 16:10 aspect ratio w/ 16:9 native mode
- 3000 Hour lamp life
- 1.6-1.9:1 Throw
- 7-segment RGBRGBW colour wheel
- 3000:1 Contrast Ratio
- DVI-I (RGB Scart or VGA via adaptor), HDMI, Component Video 3xRCA (also available into DVI-I socket via adaptor), S-Video and Composite Video Inputs


Optoma Themescene H72 Warranty Information
- 3 Year, on-site, loan-exchange Warranty Included

(post en construcción)

Sim HT3000 1080p DLP

New 0,95' 1080p chip by Texas Instruments

- 1920 x 1080 pixel HDTV resolution

- Contrast ratio: 4000:1

- New 7-segment color whel (RGBRGB + NDF Neutral Density Filter)

- 2 HDMI inputs

- SIM2 ALPHA™ Path Light Engine

- 150W dimmable lamp

Fuente:
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

Parece que el CES vendrá cargado de 1080p,
HD YAAAAAAAAAAA..
Saludos........

Eso eso es lo q hace falta, que ya se de uno q se va a pillar uno de estos para el HTPC y el BluRay.

)

Nota de prensa de Texas Instruments:

DLP® Customers Achieve New Levels of Affordability with Home Theater Projectors; Instant Theater and Pocket Projector Categories Gain Momentum


720p DLP projectors hit $2K; 1080p DLP projector available for $10K



Las Vegas, NV, Jan. 5, 2006: Texas Instruments (TI) (NYSE: TXN) at the 2006 International CES today announced that customers have achieved new levels of affordability with DLP® home theater projectors, giving consumers greater flexibility and price options for building a high-definition home theater. In addition, the new Instant Theater and Pocket Projector categories continue to gain consumer momentum and expand the offering of innovative DLP front projection products.

The worldwide consumer front projection market is forecasted to grow from 530 thousand units in 2005 to 1.97 million units in 2008. DLP currently holds 58% of the U.S. consumer front projection market, and even higher market share of the high-end home theater market (> $5K), according to Pacific Media Associates (PMA). With the introduction at CES of even more affordable price points, DLP customers stand to benefit from the growing front projection market:

720p Resolution: Optoma's new high-performance, high-definition HD72 projectors are being announced at CES with an estimated street price of under $2,000. The HD72 projector offers 5000:1 contrast ratio, 1300 lumens and incorporates BrilliantColor™ color processing technology with a 7-segment color wheel to provide great color saturation. Other customers who will be announcing and/or showing new 720p DLP projectors at CES include: InFocus, Sharp, Mitsubishi and SIM2.

1080p Resolution: Optoma at CES will also introduce the HD81 DLP projector featuring 1080p maximum-HD resolution for the ground-breaking price of $10,000. The HD81 projector offers 10-bit color per channel color processing, a 7-segment color wheel and an amazing 6000:1 contrast ratio. Other customers who will be announcing and/or showing new 1080p DLP projectors at CES include: Marantz, projectiondesign, Runco, Sharp and SIM2.
These new projectors contain the recently announced BrilliantColor™ technology from Texas Instruments, which increases the color processing capabilities from 3 to up to 7-color processing, enabling a significant boost in mid-tone colors for richer, more saturated full color images.

In addition to the price break-throughs, the new categories of projection introduced at last year's CES continue to grow. The Instant Theater category, which integrates a projector, sound system and DVD player, now accounts for 1.3% of the total worldwide front projection market, and 11.2% of the total worldwide consumer front projection market. With just 3 products in the category, DLP has the leading market share (Source: PMA). The Optoma MovieTime and RadioShack Cinego DLP Instant Theater projectors are two leading products in the category and are now available in more than 2,500 stores worldwide. Additionally, Toshiba at CES is introducing a new DLP projector into the category. The Toshiba TDP-ET20 integrates 5.1 sound and provides a short throw distance to allow big pictures in small spaces. For example, a consumer can achieve a 6-foot image with the projector placed just 3 feet from the imaging surface.

Pocket Projectors are also gaining momentum in the market and are now shipping. Using the .55 DLP chip, these micro-projectors weigh less than one pound and offer incredible mobility. Pocket Projectors have been announced from Mitsubishi, Samsung and Toshiba. The Toshiba TDP-FF1A will be commercially available this month.

"Our focus has always been to provide our customers with a wide breadth of innovations that allow them to differentiate themselves in the market and to offer products that are price-competitive," said Lars Yoder, Business Manager, DLP® Front Projection Products. "The new pricing by our customers really speaks to their ability to offer compelling products while continuing to enable more affordable solutions."

CES attendees can experience DLP technology for front projection and HDTV applications at the TI DLP Products booth #8602 in the Central Hall.

Nota de prensa de Sharp:

Flagship DLP(TM) 1080p Home Theater Front Projector (model XV-Z20000):
Sharp brings home theater to the forefront with the new XV-Z20000, utilizing a single chip 1080p DMD from Texas Instruments. This groundbreaking 1080p projector has a native resolution of "full HD" 1920 x 1080 for true 16:9 widescreen movie viewing, producing clear vivid images, transforming any room into a high-tech home theater. DVI/HDCP (High Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) and HDMI terminals ensure a secure digital connection with all high definition set top boxes. The XV-Z20000 will be available in 3Q 2006. Pricing is not yet determined.
Portable DLP(TM) Front Projector (model XV-Z3000):
Sharp's next-generation portable DLP(TM) front projector, the SharpVision XV-Z3000, is a 720p high-definition home entertainment solution that instantly transforms any room into a high-tech home theater. This widescreen, portable projector can be carried throughout a home or to a friend's home to create an instant home theater for watching TV, viewing DVDs or playing computer games on a big screen. The XV-Z3000 features brightness (1200 ANSI Lumens) and contrast levels (6500:1) superior to those available in current front projectors, so consumers can enjoy excellent picture quality in almost any lighting conditions. Additionally, a dual-iris system adjusts image brightness to show full detail and enhances contrast ratio to compensate for varied lighting environments. The low fan noise of 30 dBA (in economy mode) ensures that the viewer won't miss a minute of the film's dialogue and special effects. Other features include I/P conversion, 3-2 pull down, Color Management System (C.M.S.), 3-step Bright Boost, a 12 volt trigger and an HDMI interface. The XV-Z3000 will be available in April for an MSRP of $3,499.
Portable DLP Front Projector (model DT-500):
The DT-500 high-definition DLP(TM) front projector is a stylish, feature-packed projector that is ideal for a dedicated home theater or any viewing room. This portable unit can be moved easily from room to room, for an instant home theater anywhere. Utilizing the DLP technology from Texas Instruments, and with a resolution of 1280 x 768, the DT-500 produces a 4000:1 contrast ratio and a brightness rating of 1000 ANSI lumens, delivering one of the best pictures available in consumer home theater today. Weighing just 8.6 pounds, consumers can carry the projector to any room of the house to watch TV, DVD movies or play computer games on a big screen and then store the entire system in a cabinet to save space. A powered optical iris system instantly changes brightness and contrast settings with the push of a button to allow the greatest flexibility for varying home theater environments. Home theater convenience is further enhanced with easy installation and whisper-quiet operation. A 6 Segment 5 X Speed color wheel achieves flicker-free, high-grade images and accurate color reproduction, resulting in an uninterrupted, detailed picture. Other features include I/P conversion, 3-2 pull down, Color Management System (C.M.S.), 3-step Bright Boost and an HDMI interface. The DT-500 will be available in July for an MSRP of $3,299.
High-Definition DLP Front Projector (model SharpVision XV-Z12000 Mark II):
Recognizing the increasing consumer interest in total home theaters, Sharp has expanded its high-definition DLP(TM) front projector line with the newly-enhanced version of the award-winning XV-Z12000, the XV-Z12000 Mark II. This sleek-bodied, whisper-quiet product takes home movie projection to a new level of viewing enjoyment with unprecedented contrast ratio (7000:1) and brightness levels (1000 ANSI Lumen brightness in high brightness mode), for the clearest, truest-color images available today. The XV-Z12000 Mark II creates a cinematic experience anywhere consumers can imagine, transforming any family or media room into the ultimate high-tech home theater. Using DLP Dark Chip 3(TM) technology from Texas Instruments and Sharp's proprietary Computer & Video Integrated Composer (CV-IC II) System technology, the XV-Z12000 Mark II reaches previously-unattained levels of projection excellence. A powered iris switchover function instantly changes multiple brightness and contrast settings with the touch of a button, allowing flexibility for varying home theater environments. The XV-Z12000 has a native resolution of 720 for true 16:9 widescreen movie viewing and a DVI/HDCP (High bandwidth Digital Content Protection) terminal that ensures a secure digital connection with high definition set top boxes. The XV-Z12000 Mark II is available now for an MSRP of $10,999.99.
Portable DLP Front Projector (model DT-100):
Weighing just over eight and a half pounds, this portable DLP(TM) front projector can be moved easily from room to room, for an instant big-screen theater anywhere in the home. Using DLP technology from Texas Instruments, this stylish, feature-packed projector is ideal for consumers to watch TV, DVDs or play computer games on a full-size screen and then pack it all up and put it away, saving space and avoiding clutter. The DT-100 provides consumers with a compact, lightweight product that will easily fit on a shelf, cabinet or small side table. The projector is EDTV (enhanced definition television), with a resolution of 854 x 480 that is high-definition compatible. Upgraded features include an extremely high contrast ratio of 2000:1 as well as 1000 ANSI Lumen brightness for brilliant clarity and a superior image. The low fan noise of 30 dBA (in economy mode) ensures that a film's dialogue and special effects are the only sounds that movie-watching guests will hear. The projector is outfitted with a 6 Segment 5 X Speed color wheel that minimizes "color breaking" and provides high quality images with accurate color reproduction. The DT-100 is available for an MSRP of $1,299.99.

Enlace interesante del foro avs , con fotos de Novedades del CES

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626863

Parece que los LCDs de 1080p de uso doméstico, no aparecerán por ahora.
Los DLPs 1080p se han adelantado, (efecto Ruby..).

Saludos..

El amigo Jason Turk debe estar entre los dos o tres peores fotógrafos de la historia de la humanidad.

Fotos más decentes y comentarios latinos by Andrea Manutti en este enlace (en italiano)

Un saludo, Javier G.

Gracias a todos por este estupendo Thread. Una manera de estar informado a la última, sin tener que "goglear". Sobre todo cuando hay falta de tiempo.
Gracias de nuevo,

Interesante post de un forero que ha visitado el Ces, con comentarios sobre los nuevos proyectores:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=627013

Comenta que Yamaha ha sacado un DLP con el nuevo chip 1280x768 , que aplican su tecnología "Black Color" llamado DPX 830

Otro más:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=627571

Saludos.........

De momento la foto mas espectacular de tooooodo lo q he visto:

Esto es un hilo de tendencias de proyectores. )

Ni Epson presentó su tecnología C2Fine ni Sony su BiNa6. Así que seguramente hasta septiembre no tendremos proyectores LCD de alto contraste nativo.

Yo sigo con mi 8700...