Tema: Alexander Director's Cut?

Entro en Play.com y me encuentro esto: http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/58696...t/Product.html

Me suena que se habló algo de una edición del director que era más corta que la de cine. ¿Es este el caso o es una versión extendida?

Quita la escenas "calientes" para que los americanos no se sientan ofendidos

¿quita el polvazo con Rosario Dawson? pero si es lo único que merece la pena

No, creo que más bien quita las connotaciones homosexuales de Alejandro...

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¿quita el polvazo con Rosario Dawson? pero si es lo único que merece la pena

XDDDDD

Las homosexuales si y no se si rebaja el tono de la escena con la Dawson pero que te conteste alguien que la tenga porque a mi la peli me gusta (y bastante) como está L)

Charlie creo que la tenía o por lo menos la ha pedido o algo así

Aún no la he recibido. De todas formas, no he visto la versión de cines, así que no podré comparar. Mejor echar mano de lo que dicen algunas reviews.

Iniciado por DVD Times

Stone handles it all with a steady hand, and while the film is still too long for its own good, this director’s cut does do a better job of telling the story – a long list of changes would be superfluous, but simply put, the flashbacks stripping away layers of Alexander’s life are placed in more narratively-pleasing places, with a better structure and command of the story Stone is trying to tell.

Iniciado por DVD Movie Guide

Note that this DVD presents a “Director’s Cut” of Alexander. In an unusual step, this 167-minute version runs about eight minutes shorter than the 175-minute theatrical edition. Stone cut some bits he felt confused audiences during the film’s big-screen run, though he reinserted elements like the accurate use of “BC” dates; apparently crowds didn’t understand that 350 BC is before 330 BC. Apparently Stone also tightened up matters and made the movie leaner and quicker.

Iniciado por DVD Talk

The original theatrical cut of Alexander was first unveiled on DVD in Asia a few months ahead of the domestic release (see this review of the Hong Kong DVD). Now viewers in Region 1 have their choice of separate editions for the 175-minute Theatrical Cut or a new 167-minute Director's Cut. Yes, that's right, the Director's Cut is shorter than the theatrical cut. For the new version, Oliver Stone has excised approximately 17 minutes from the old version and reinstated 9 minutes of new footage. More importantly, he's also shuffled around the order of many of the existing scenes. The packaging declares this new version is "Newly inspired, faster paced, more action packed!" Unfortunately, in his attempt to make the movie more palatable to audiences with short attention spans and homophobic tendencies, Stone has done the movie a great disservice.

The Director's Cut of the film is, quite simply, a mess. It wouldn't have been so bad if Stone had simply added new footage on top of the old cut. Most of the new scenes, though generally superfluous, don't harm the movie at all. The problem is that removing many bits of important character development that were deemed "too gay" by audiences has deprived other remaining scenes of their proper context. The quasi love story between Alexander and Hephaistion is still a big part of the movie, but now the scenes they have together actually seem more melodramatic than before. Rather than the intended effect of toning down that aspect of the movie, Stone has unintentionally made it more histrionic and "gay" than it previously was.

Even more damaging are the major structural changes that Stone has imposed on the film. The original theatrical cut featured a curious but somehow effective decision to skip past an important part of Alexander's young life and flash back to it later. This confused some viewers, but rather than straighten it out the director has decided instead to do a lot more of the same. I suppose he was trying to make the movie more Oliver Stone-ian. The result is that the movie now jumps backwards and forwards through Alexander's life all the time. We're constantly inundated with on-screen text identifying certain scenes as taking place "10 Years Earlier", "9 Years Earlier", "1 Year Later", and "9 Years Earlier" again (which, if we're trying to keep track, means that it's 1 year after the last "9 Years Earlier"). Stone may have assumed that making the film a lot less linear overall would get audiences used to the flashback structure, but all he's succeeded in doing is making the movie more confusing and dramatically inert.

The intent of the restructuring is to draw blunt parallels between Alexander's young life and the events that happen to him later, but the story was more elegant and effective before. The new ordering of scenes rarely makes much dramatic or tonal sense, and the choppiness very much harms Colin Farrell's already fragile performance, making his shifts in tone from scene to scene seem less like a continuous progression and more like an actor who can't get a grip on his character.

As for the new cut being "faster paced" and "more action packed", that is pure marketing hyperbole. I detected no change at all to the action footage in the movie. Skipping past some of the early scenes in Alexander's life allows us to jump right into the first major battle a lot sooner, but without the proper foundation establishing the character that scene doesn't feel earned. We also aren't given enough time to get used to Farrell playing the older version of the character. The movie is shorter, but it is certainly not faster paced. In fact, the continual jumps back and forth in time quickly become tedious.

After the savaging he received from both critics and audiences, I can't blame Oliver Stone for wanting to impose some drastic changes on the movie. The old cut certainly could have used some prudent trimming and tightening. However, I think Stone has made a series of bad decisions that may have seemed to make sense intellectually but just don't work dramatically. The Director's Cut is inferior to the Theatrical Cut.

A mi también me encanta esta película. ¡Viva Angelina Jolie!.

Añado, para el que le interese, que en zona 1 la versión de cines está partida en dos discos, al igual que los extras, sin embargo la versión del director está en un disco y los extras en el otro. Por lo que he leido, a única diferencia en los extras de ambas ediciones es el audiocomentario.

Por cierto, ¿se sigue vendiendo aquí en España la edición con el 5.1 a 256 kbps. y la imagen con calidad divx? Por cierto, no sé si fue en la "wikipedia", pero me pareció leer que, al final, el "contenido gay" de la peli no resultó tan perjudicado en el "director's cut". Aunque también, eso de quitar parte de las escenas de Rosarito Dawson :cabreo ... Un saludete.

Hombre, no era una imagen de referncia, pero calificarla de Divx me parece una perogrullada.

Oye, que hay DivX que se ven fenomenal...

Se veía (ve) y se oía (oye) DE PENA.

¿Pasa lo mismo en la edición de alquiler? Porque yo la tengo y vamos, no es que se oiga un sonido de referencia, pero no se oye peor que muchos otros dvd´s.

The controversial filmmaker has revealed in a recent interview that he is in preparations to recut his biopic of the Macedonian king into a massive extended edition. "I'm doing a third version on DVD, not theatrical. I'm going to do a Cecile B Demille/Oliver Stone three hour forty five minute thing. I'm going to go all out, put everything I like in the movie.

Fuente : DavisDVD

Hay gente q no deberia dejar su medicacion...

Pues yo encantado con un nuevo montaje, a ver si se confirma (y nos llega aquí). La vida de Alejandro Magno debería dar para algo más que 170 minutos de paseo asiático. Y si Stone se agencia un buen montador que le ayude, ni te cuento. Un saludete.

¿Pasa lo mismo en la edición de alquiler? Porque yo la tengo y vamos, no es que se oiga un sonido de referencia, pero no se oye peor que muchos otros dvd´s.

Supongo que sí. De todas formas era un fallo garrafal. Para que les entrara todo en el disco habían codificado el Dolby a un bitrate tan bajo que sonaba enlatado y se distorsionaba que daba miedo.

Aún recuerdo el día que me llamó por teléfono un chico de TriPictures para explicarme lo que había pasado (que no cabía todo en el disco y que "en todo el mundo pasa igual" -no le dije que en Zona 1 habían partido la película porque estaba en estado de shock por la llamada-) y un par de semanas más tarde me llegó a casa el dvd con el Dolby castellano bien codificado y el inglés en 2.0

Entonces, concretando:

Si lo que yo espero de mi compra de Alexander es una edición completa, con el mayor metraje posible dentro de los límites de la cordura y salud mental, sin recortes de ningún tipo por muy explicitos sexualmente o perturbadores que sean (¿quién dijo homoerotismo? ) y con una calidad audio/video que sin ser de referencia sea superior a la del Cinexin..

¿Que edición me aconsejáis? :mmmh