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"Y antepones tu palabra a la mia" <span style="text-decoration:underline">Woody Allen en:</span> La maldición del escorpión de jade</p>
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Yo apruebo tambien me apunto <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">
"Y antepones tu palabra a la mia" <span style="text-decoration:underline">Woody Allen en:</span> La maldición del escorpión de jade</p>
quien se supone que es el sacrificado hombrecillo que lo iba a hacer? :O
Desecha los pilares basicos de la civilizacion, sobre todo los materiales. Bienvenido a mundo cero. Tyler Durden in "The fight club"</p>
Yo también apoyo la moción, y la escena de la serpiente que comentáis a mi también me suena haberla visto... pero la de los ojos ya no tanto.
<span style="color:blue;font-family:comic sans ms;">¡Robando! ¿Cómo pudiste? ¿No has aprendido nada del tipo que nos echa sermones en la iglesia? ¿El Capitán... No-Sé-Cuántos? ¡Vivimos en una sociedad de leyes! ¿Por qué crees que te llevé a ver "La Loca Academia de Policía"? ¿Por diversión? ¿Es que oíste que se riera alguien? ¡Ni tú!</span></p>
Si alguien se anima a montar ese tesoro... MAPUNTO!! <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/laleche.gif ALT=":laleche">
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Aunque esto empieza a derivar claramente a "Cinefilia", aquí os pego un completo listado de las diferencias del primer montaje de trabajo de la película respecto a su encarnación final.
La información procede de www.bladezone.com/ .
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Denver/Dallas/U.K. Sneak Preview of Blade Runner
A somewhat complete list of alternate scenes, shots, cuts, and sounds featured in this unique version of a classic science fiction film.
This rarely-seen cut of Blade Runner was, in essence, a work-in-progress. It was cut together after numerous changes, re-shoots, mixes, and decisions had been made by the filmmakers as to how it could/should/would be presented. Screened in Denver, Colorado on 3/5/1982 and Dallas, Texas on 3/6/1982, as well as in the United Kingdom (date unknown to me), it was the first incarnation of Blade Runner the general moviegoing public was to ever see. As compared to all other OFFICIALLY released versions, most notably the 1982 International Cut (the uncensored version of the official 1982 release) and the 1992 "Director’s Cut" (a release which was prompted by the overwhelming success of this "workprint’s" brief run in LA in 1990 and 1991), the original sneak preview version is rather different. The main differences are a rougher sound mix, unfinished music and scenes, and some extra and/or alternate shots within scenes already familiar to fans across the planet. This in-depth checklist will allow those folks who can’t wait to see another version of Blade Runner to compare and contrast the workprint to their favorite cut(s). (And yes, I did pull a lot of this information from Paul M. Sammon’s great book: FUTURE NOIR- THE MAKING OF Blade Runner.)
1.        The opening logo (for the LADD Company) is the standard black tree on a white background. The LADD logo’s musical theme is also slightly different. (See OUTLAND or THE RIGHT STUFF for example.)
2.        The only credits for Blade Runner were for the star (Harrison Ford) and the name of the picture. They were presented in a rather stylish manner: A white line streaks across the black screen, bisecting it. From out of the "slash" appears the words HARRISON (from above) and FORD (from below) in red lettering. As they emerge, a metallic scraping sound is heard as a sound effect. Harrison’s name disappears back into the slash, accompanied by the same noise. Next, in LARGE, bold, red text, Blade Runner emerges and then disappears from the white line, in the same fashion as Harrison’s credit. During this brief credit sequence, alternate, non-Vangelis music can be heard. When the title of the movie is revealed, the music strikes a deep, resonant chord.
3.        Immediately after the opening credits, a single screen of text appears. Similar to the opening of "PULP FICTION", the text is a dictionary definition:
REPLICANT
ep’-li-cant
. See also ROBOT (antique): ANDROID (obsolete): NEXUS (generic): Synthetic human, with paraphysical capa- bilities, having skin/flesh culture. Also: Rep, skin job (slang): Off-world uses: Combat, high risk industrial, deepspace probe. On-world use pro- hibited. Specifications and quantities-information classified. New Ameri- can Dictionary. Copyright (c) 2016
After the presentation of the definition, the familiar LOS ANGELES: NOVEMBER, 2019 text appears and the Vangelis score enters, full-force and slightly different in tempo (faster).
4.        The two full-screen shots of Holden’s "eye on the city" are absent from this sequence.
5.        As the scene progresses closer and closer to the Tyrell Corporation, the voice of an air-traffic controller can be heard saying, "Spinner niner-niner-Red-two, Tyrell Approach Control. Radar contact two-zero, miles west. Spec planning pad Red-two, spec Green sector automated approach." In other words, this sequence was originally edited to suggest we were approaching the Tyrell Corporation inside a Spinner car.
6.        The two shots of Holden waiting in the "interrogation room" for his next "subject", during the approach to Tyrell Corp. sequence, are absent.
7.        After Leon shoots Holden, who subsequently crashes through the wall, the shot of Holden’s slumped-over body holds longer. Holden’s face rests on the computer keyboard, the hole in his back smoking. The blades of a ceiling fan, which have fallen down over him, brush his hair (perhaps suggesting that he’s a Blade Runner, or in need of THE Blade Runner: it is suggested that Deckard is one-of-a-kind in this version).
8.        At the White Dragon Noodle Bar, the Ink Spots’ "If I Didn’t Care" can be heard playing, briefly, in the background, as the shot cranes down to ground level.
9.        During the blimp’s advertisement, we do not hear any narration from Deckard, and the advertisement continues on: "New climates, recreational facilities...". Also, the close-up shot of Deckard is slightly shorter.
10.        When the noodle cook sets Deckard’s meal down in front of him, we see a close-up shot of it: two large shrimp, a mound of rice, and noodles. Mmmmm.
11.        As Deckard cleans his chopsticks, we do not hear any of his narration. Also, the shot runs longer.
12.        When Gaff first speaks ("Monsieur, ada-na kobishin angum bi-te." ) the shot is on Gaff only, in semi-close up.
13.        The next shot is different, too. As Gaff continues to speak, we see Deckard playing with his food and attempting to eat it; Deckard seems more agitated.
14.        As Gaff takes Deckard to see Bryant, we can actually HEAR Gaff talking to Deckard (he was originally scripted to insult Deckard), in cityspeak, inside the Police Spinner. Also, there is no narration from Deckard during this sequence. In this version, the air-traffic control directions heard as the Spinner lands seem more natural to the audience at this point, after hearing some earlier in the film.
15.        As Deckard walks into Bryants office and sits down, there is no narration about "skin jobs", but there is off-screen dialogue from Bryant about the replicants jumping the Off-World shuttle, etc. In other words, the sequence is edited more tightly. However, we don’t see Bryant pouring Deckard a drink, but Deckard sets down an empty glass after the next couple of shots!
16.        Bryant does not say, "I need the old Blade Runner. I need your magic."
17.        Bryant, in the briefing room, informs Deckard that TWO replicants got fried running through the Tyrell Corp.’s electrical field. This not only accounts for the "mystery replicant" (for those who REALLY paid attention), but also nullifies the possibility that Deckard (a replicant?) was one of the six.
18.        As Bryant briefs Deckard on his new "assignment", and we see Leon’s catalog number and incept date, etc., we hear on off-screen line from Bryant: "That’s Leon. Ammunition loader on intergalactic runs. He can lift four-hundred pound atomic loads all day and night. The only way you can hurt him is to kill him."
19.        Before the shot/scene changes from Bryant’s briefing to Deckard’s journey to see Tyrell, we can hear Gaff’s Police Spinner approaching, from behind, in the surround channel(s). It’s really cool.
20.        During the flight to Tyrell’s pyramid, there is no narration from Deckard. However, there ARE more air-traffic control directions heard over Gaff’s radio: "Police niner-niner-five, Tyrell Approach Control. The winds zero-niner-zero at six, and the altimeter two-niner-niner-two." The controller has a bit of a military-style Southern accent. The first set of air-traffic directions are given at the beginning of the sequence. The next set of directions are given near the end of the sequence: "Spinner niner-niner, Tyrell Approach Control. Radar contact two-zero miles west. Spec planning pad Red-two, spec Green sector automated approach." Then, to a different Spinner, "Pad two. The winds zero-niner-zero at six. Spinner two, Tyrell Approach Control. Spec planning Yellow."
21.        In Tyrell’s office, after Rachel asks Deckard if she can ask him a "personal" question, we hear him ask her, offscreen, "What is it?"
22.        As Deckard V-Ks Rachel about the "nude photo", the scene dissolves into the master shot of the whole office. On most prints, if you listen carefully, we can barely hear Deckard ask Rachel, "Remember the spider that lived in a bush outside your window? Orange body, green legs?", under their lines, "I wouldn’t let him" and "Why not?". In this version, the two seperate dialogues are balanced at equal volume! Same for Deckard’s line, "One more question"; it’s louder.
23.        At the Yukon Hotel, when the attendant opens Leon’s room for Deckard and Gaff, we hear him say, "Kowalski." Kowalski is Leon’s last name; so, the attendant is telling the two detectives the name of the current tenant. Also, there is no narration from Deckard in this sequence.
24.        At the Eyeworks, when Chew is being "interrogated" by Leon and Roy, there is no shot of Roy asking, "Now...where...would we find this...J.F. Sebastian?". Further, the soundtrack allows Chew to only say J.F.’s last name twice, where he says it THREE times in all other versions. Over the third "S-s-s-sebastion", the soundtrack, instead, brings up the sound of Deckard’s sedan, to indicate an imminent scene change.
25.        In the elevator at Deckard’s apartment house, as Deckard rides the lift up to his room, we hear Rachel whisper, "Deckard", which causes him to draw his gun reflexively. In all other versions, we only hear the sound of something shifting, not a whisper.
26.        As Deckard looks down at Rachel’s photograph and sees the image subtly move (maybe it was a 3-D photo?), we hear the sound of laughing children, only much louder in this sound mix. Further, there is no narration from Deckard in this sequence, and Vangelis’ "Memories of Green" trails off as Deckard sits down to examine Leon’s photos. In all other versions, it continues to play until it segues into "Blade Runner Blues" (about twenty seconds later). Therefore, there are about twenty seconds in this version of the sequence without music.
27.        The "Blade Runner Blues" (Vangelis music cue) trails off as Pris walks toward the Bradbury, in the medium shot. In all other prints, it abruptly cuts off later, when Sebastion drops his keys.
28.        Pris’ last drag on her cigarette is louder.
29.        The sound of Pris breaking the window of Sebastian’s car is louder, also.
30.        After Sebastian and Pris exit the elevator and continue to J.F.’s apartment, the music features the same descending chime motif as heard much later in the film, when Pris is sneaking a peek around the "sleeping" J.F.’s pad.
31.        Back at Deckard’s apartment, when the ol’ Blade himself is drunkenly hitting a key on his piano, there is no background music score from Vangelis. We only hear Deckard’s fidget-y tune on the piano, which is different in this audio mix. Also, there is no unicorn "vision".
32.        As Deckard uses the photo-enhancing ESPER machine, a low humming sound can be heard emanating from it. The Vangelis music here is also subtly different.
33.        After the ESPER zooms in on Roy’s face in Leon’s picture, we hear Deckard mutter, offscreen, "Hello, Roy."
34.        As Deckard examines the hardcopy (Polaroid) of Zhora, we hear him speculate with, "Zhora or Pris?"
35.        At the end of the ESPER sequence, Vangelis’ score segues into his eerie "Tales of the Future"/"On the Trail of the Nexus 6". In this sound mix, the music continues on, naturally. In all other versions, the music loops back on itself to start over again when the scene changes to the Animoid Row sequence. We hear more of this haunting cue at the end of this sequence, as well.
36.        After Deckard hands the Cambodian merchant the mysterious scale, she answers Deckard’s question ("Fish?" ) with, "It will take a moment."
37.        After Deckard questioningly points in the direction of Abdul Ben-Hassan’s shop, and nods in thanks to the Cambodian merchant, he starts off in that direction. However, in this version, the shot runs longer, which cranes up again (like at the beginning of the sequence) to show us more of Animoid Row from above. Almost twenty seconds later, the shot dissolves into the familiar scene of Deckard nearing Abdul’s shop, as seen in all other versions.
38.        Another soundtrack mix difference: when Deckard taps on the window of Abdul Ben-Hassan’s store, we hear more tappings than in other versions. Then, after Deckard walks into the store and addresses Abdul, the dialogue is different. It actually matches their lips better than in all other versions, which featured altered post-production dialogue. In this mix, the dialogue goes like so:
Deckard: "Abdul Hassan? I’m a police officer, Abdul. I’ve got a couple of questions I wanted to ask you."
Abdul: (mutters something in Egyptian, probably boasting about his wares or complaining; waves his arms around)
Deckard: "You made a snake: XB71. I want to know who you sold it to."
Abdul: "My work? Not too many could afford such quality."
Deckard: "How many?"
Abdul: "Very few."
Deckard: "How few?"
Abdul: "Perhaps less than I thought, but still, more than I can remember."
Deckard: (grabs Abdul by the collar) "Abdul my friend... (background noise obscures Deckard’s voice) ...about two seconds, I’m going to... (gets drowned out again)."
Abdul: "SNAKE PIT!"
The shot also lasts a tad longer. Abdul Ben-Hassan never mentions Taffey Lewis in this version.
39.        The very next scene is one that exists in no other version. The Abdul Ben-Hassan interrogation cuts to a crowded, busy street outside of Taffey Lewis’ Snake Pit bar. The shot then cranes up, for a better view from above. The next shot shows two voluptuous dancing girls (wearing hockey masks, Geisha- style wigs, and silver thongs and bikinis) undulating and writhing together (see OUTLAND for something similar) in a plexiglass bubble-like encasement, which hangs above the street in the second story of the building. A police officer can also be seen in a similar "bubble", adjacent to the dancers. Further, the music is different: very techno/disco in style, and dark. This music continues for several scenes afterwards. The next shot shows Deckard being pointed into the bar by another police officer. Deckard enters the Snake Pit.
40.        The interior shot of Deckard entering the bar and asking for Taffey Lewis is the same as in other versions, but instead of the eerie, Egyptian-like song in the background, we hear more of the dark, techno-style music pulsing away.
41.        When Rachel hangs up on Deckard on the Vid-Phon, and the screen shows Deckard’s balance owed, there is a sound effect similar to the one heard as Deckard enters Rachel’s number into the phone pad: you know; the one that goes, "Got! Boo-bo-bop-bip-beep." In all other versions, there is no sound effect when Rachel hangs up. At this point, the background music becomes familiar.
42.        Zhora’s stage act announcer has some slightly different dialogue than in other versions: "Ladies and gentlemen. We have, for your delight and pleasure this evening, a spectacular act. Before you, a woman. And with her, a snake. Watch her take the pleasures from the serpent that once corrupted man!" He does not mention her stage name (Ms. Salome), which is probably why it was redone, later on, for the other versions. Also, the shot holds on Deckard slightly longer.
43.        As Deckard examines the sequin in Zhora’s dressing room, the shots lasts longer. Additionally, there is
a close-up of the sequin in his hand, which is not in any other version.
44.        There is an addition to the dressing room scene: after Zhora escapes from Deckard out the rear stage
door, the scene cuts back to Deckard loosening his tie and making choking sounds. Zhora probably almost took his head off! This shot was probably eliminated from all other versions to tighten the pace of the chase sequence, but it sure is nifty!
45.        As Deckard watches the police examine Zhora’s lifeless body, we hear her heart beating it’s last few
beats much more loudly in this mix than in the other versions’ soundtracks. Also, there is no narration from Deckard here.
46.        As Deckard buys his bottle of Tsing Tao and meets up with Bryant and Gaff, we hear the Ink Spots’ "If
I Didn’t Care" playing, once again, in the background. In all other versions, a similar-sounding song, "One More Kiss, Dear" is playing in the background, but doesn’t come nearly as close to voicing Deckard’s feelings as the original choice. "If I Didn’t Care" is also much louder in this mix than "One More Kiss, Dear" was in the other versions’ soundtracks.
47.        When Leon gets shot in the head by Rachel, the sound of the gunblast is different: more abrupt and
immediate, rather than prolonged and echo-y. It sounds like a bullet, rather than an explosion. Also, the sequence does not contain the last two shots, as in the other versions: Leon collapsing onto Deckard, and Rachel tentatively stepping towards them. The sequence cuts directly after we see who it was that saved Deckard’s life, to the apartment.
48.        Instead of Vangelis’ jazzy "Love Theme", we hear more of the eerie music that was playing before it would have begun.
49.        At the piano, Rachel plays a different rendition of the same tune heard in the other versions. It’s much more extravagant and beautiful, like she’s a professional player. The shot of her playing the piano runs longer, as well.
50.        The profile shot of Rachel reaching up to "let down her hair" is not present. In this version, her hairstyle has suddenly changed, without any explanation!
51.        After Deckard sits down next to Rachel and says to her, "You play beautifully", the music score segues into an alternate Vangelis cue (alternate Love Theme?), which is beautifully haunting. This cue is not in any other version of the film. Also, when Rachel plays on the piano some more, the sound of her playing is equally as different here (from regular versions) as when she first plays it.
52.        During the entire sequence in Sebastian’s work room, where J.F. meets Roy (and a newly made-up Pris), the background Vangelis score is subtly different from other versions’, and louder.
53.        As Roy and Pris share a look about Sebastian (perhaps as to what happened overnight?), we can hear the whispers of Sebastian’s many "friends" much more loudly, just before the scene cuts to the exterior shot of Tyrell’s pyramid.
54.        In this version, Roy says, to Tyrell, "I want more life...Father." This line was shot for TV coverage, but, amazingly, never got used in the TV version! However, rather than "fucker", "Father" seems to make more of a relevant statement: here, it rings better with Tyrell referring to Roy as "the Prodigal Son".
55.        During Roy and Tyrell’s "discussion", different background music can be heard. Paul M. Sammon (in FUTURE NOIR) describes it as a kettledrum. It certainly adds a different flavor to the scene.
56.        The death of Tyrell is different here. It begins as the "International 1982 Version" does, but then changes. Here is how it’s cut together: Roy sticks his thumbs into Tyrell’s eyes (close-up), and they BEGIN to bleed (like in the "International 1982 Version" ); Sebastian reacts; Roy’s face shows strain and rage in an extended shot (like in the "Domestic 1982 Version" ); close-up on Roy’s thumbs withdrawing from Tyrell’s bloody eye-sockets and lifting off his spectacles (like in the "International 1982 Version" ); Batty lets go of Tyrell, whose body falls, limp, to the floor; artificial owl reacts (like in the "Domestic 1982 Version" ); Batty reflects on what he’s done; Sebastian looks shocked and frightened; Batty turns and walks toward Sebastian (in an alternate take). Sebastain can be heard whimpering in this shot, as he tries to escape from Roy. Roy says, "I am sorry, Sebastian. Come. Come." The last shot seen inside Tyrell’s apartment is an alternate take of the artificial owl’s face. This sequence is VERY different, in this version!
57.        After we see Roy descending (from Heaven) in the elevator, the shot dissolves, as usual, to Deckard driving in the tunnel. In this version, however, we hear Bryant telling Deckard, here, what was found at Tyrell’s, EXACTLY like it sounds in the other versions. It is heard in place of the multiple police dispatches!
58.        As Deckard sits in his sedan and checks his notes, we hear nothing on his radio (as we’ve already heard Bryant’s orders in the previous scene), and the shot ends earlier (which is just as well). Deckard, then, gets sighted by the patrolling Spinner cop.
59.        As Deckard parks in front of the Bradbury apartment building, Vangelis’ music score bows out from this version. From this point on, we hear "temp music" in it’s place, by the composer Jerry Goldsmith. This music, lifted from FREUD and PLANET OF THE APES, is very loud on the soundtrack and wildly different in mood from Vangelis’. At times, it’s annoying. At other times, it seems appropriately suspenseful and jumpy. This music lasts until the last scene in the movie! Vangelis must not have been finished scoring the film when this version was being assembled. This is probably the only thing in the workprint that betrays it’s rough format.
60.        Just before Deckard enters Sebastian’s apartment, he is startled by an eerie whisper in the background. In all other versions, the soundtrack has him being startled by a scraping sound.
61.        This workprint DOES contain the scene of Pris, when attacking Deckard, sticking her fingers up his nose and breaking it (just like in the "International 1982 Version" ). In this print’s audio mix, the sound of Deckard’s nose breaking is unmistakable and loud. We also hear Pris scream in fury as she does it.
62.        Deckard shoots Pris TWICE, like in the "Domestic 1982 Version". In the "International 1982 version", Deckard shoots Pris THREE times, causing her belly to smoke and more thrashing. The difference here, however, is that Pris’ screams and thrashings are uncomfortably LOUD.
63.        The shot of Roy riding the elevator up to Sebastian’s level is slightly longer.
64.        When Roy turns the retired Pris’ face to his, we hear thunder in this audio mix.
65.        We don’t see the shot of Deckard being pulled up against the wall by Roy. Instead, the shot cuts to the one of Roy pulling Deckard’s arm through (seen in all versions), and then we see another close-up of Deckard, reacting (not seen in any other version).
66.        When Roy breaks Deckard’s first finger, we SEE it! There is a close-up on a phony prop hand, and Roy breaks the finger.
67.        After Roy retraces (with the retired Pris’ blood) the last place Pris ever touched him (his lips), the scene cuts to Deckard running and then stopping, and setting his first finger. When he screams, his face is bathed in a red light, and facing to our left. This shot is only featured in this version, and is only presented this way, editorially, in this cut of the film. The scene then cuts to Roy crying and starting his "howling".
68.        As Deckard approaches the large bureau from the left, the (side)shot runs longer to show him starting to climb it.
69.        In the shot where Roy makes his way towards the camera, searching for Deckard, he says, "Four...five. How to stay alive." Nothing new. But, then, he says, "Coming...", which adds a dark touch of humor to Roy’s taunts.
70.        There is more footage of Deckard climbing the bureau, and an additional shot of Roy running through the abandoned apartments, searching for his prey.
71.        The nail is not seen pushing through the back of Roy’s hand, as it IS in the "International 1982 Version". Here, it’s edited as it is in the "Domestic 1982 Version".
72.        Immediately after Roy’s head bursts through the wall, we hear him say, offscreen, "You’re not in pain, are you? Are you in pain?", over a slightly longer shot of Deckard reacting.
73.        As Deckard steps out onto the ledge, there is no "blimp song" in the background of this sound mix.
74.        In place of the two medium shots of Deckard hanging onto the girder of the roof, are a shot of Deckard hanging (from above, like when he loses his hold) and we see the same special effect of a driving car on the street below. The second (familiar) shot is replaced with a shot of Deckard hanging, from behind, as if from Roy’s point-of-view.
75.        Roy says, "Time to die", over the second close up of Deckard’s watching face, rather than the first, after he delivers his final speech.
76.        Deckard delivers only one bit of narration in this entire version of the film, and it is here. After we see the dove fly off, and Deckard reacts, in close-up, the shot dissolves to a MASTER SHOT of the rooftop. We see Roy in the middle, Deckard off to the right, and Gaff’s Spinner car rises up on the left (yes, you can see the cables quite easily). Deckard’s narration is as follows: "I watched him die all night. It was a long, slow thing, and he fought it all the way. He never whimpered and he never quit. He took all the time he had, as though he loved life very much. Every second of it...even the pain. Then, he was dead." The following close-up shot on Deckard’s face is an alternate one, compared to all other versions; he seems to be more captivated by what he has seen, rather than melancholy.
77.        As Deckard searches his apartment for Rachel, the sequence is done in a long, single shot, close on Deckard. We hear music here, as well, but more temp music. Once Deckard reaches the bed, the shot becomes familiar; only the tail end of it was used in all other prints. Also, Deckard only calls out Rachel’s name TWICE in this edition. The shot of the endlessly scrolling TV screens is absent.
78.        After Rachel tells Deckard, "I trust you", the scene cuts to Deckard opening the elevator, and, after inspecting it’s interior, motioning her to follow him in. This edition shows neither the shot of Deckard opening and exiting his apartment, nor the shot of Rachel waiting, pensively. However, if you watch all the other versions, you can HEAR the opening elevator door’s sound effect, yet Deckard is opening his APARTMENT door! Vangelis’ score returns at this point.
79.        The elevator doors close silently over Deckard and Rachel. There is no "Ride Into the Sunset" finale, as in the 1982 versions.
80.        The movie ends on a black frame with white text reading, "THE END". The music heard here is from the earlier sequence where Gaff takes Deckard to the police HQ; it is used as exit music here. There are no end credits.
As you can see, this version is the most "radically different" edition of Blade Runner, as compared to other cuts. Other differences are that, after 1982, the only version to exist of this print is a 70 millimeter blow-up, in six-track Dolby Stereo. The blow-up process clips six percent off of the edges, as compared to 35 millimeter anamorphic prints. However, the six-track sound mix separates the bass and music from the dialogue and sound effects, to hold their own independence within the sound mix. Vangelis’ music has an aural, enveloping quality to it in this print, despite the rough qualities of the mix. In 1990 and 1991, some Landmark theaters in the Los Angeles area played this version as an anamorphic, 35 millimeter reduction print from the 70 millimeter blow-up. The print was reported to be of poor quality: grainy, non-color-corrected, and with "wobbly", hastily cut-in end credits (which also showed up in the " Director’s Cut" ). A new, final credit was added to the 35 millimeter reduction: This version copyright 1991 The Blade Runner Partnership. The 70 millimeter blow-up resurfaced, briefly, and by mistake, at the Landmark Egyptian theater in Seattle during late January of 1999. It has also been reported as surfacing, again, in the Los Angeles area, in 1999. Let’s hope that the next time this rougher, but yet exciting, cut of Blade Runner makes it’s appearance, it is as an official video release! <hr></blockquote>
En cuanto a las diferencias entre el montaje USA y el internacional, son esencialmente las que ya se han enumerado aquí, a saber:
- Los dedos de Roy Batty (servidor) hundiéndose en las cuencas de los ojos de Tyrell, con profusión de sangre corriendo por sus mejillas
- Pris levantando a Deckard con dos dedos metidos en los agujeros de su nariz
- Pris recibiendo un tiro más de Deckard, y pataleando y retorciéndose en el suelo durante más tiempo
- El clavo atravesando la palma de Roy Batty
El número de baile con la serpiente es un mito, una alucinación colectiva provocada por la sugestión y los caprichos de la memoria.
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diodati y pepedelataud:
Como podréis comprobar el Vallekas' Cut no sólo existe sino que se llama "The Denver/Dallas U.K. Sneak preview of Blade Runner".<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">
Por estos lares hubo bastante sorna cuando yo aseguraba haber visto en la Filmoteca Española (allá por el año '97) una versión de Blade Runner en la que aparecía al principio una imagen como de una página de diccionario con la definición de Replicante. No estoy loco...<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/chalao.gif ALT=":chalao">
Saludos
I´ve seen things you people wouldn´t believe...
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Sr. Lobo,
Afortunado tú si en verdad vistes el Workprint! Según lo que se puede leer en Future Noir esta era una copia en aunmentada a 70mm muy rara guardada en los archivos de la Warner y que no se volvió a exhibir debido a que el material estaba en condiciones un tanto delicadas. Parece ser que se hicieron copias de esta en anamórfico 35mm que al ser copia de copia tenían una imagen un tanto lamentable (esto sería logico para una peli puesta en la Filmo).
Envidia me das. ¿Recuerdas dentro de qué ciclo la pusieron?
Saludos
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ALGUIEN ME PUEDE DECIR QUÉ DEMONIOS ES ESTO???
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edito: evidentemente conozco eBay, lo que pregunto es si REALMENTE existe lo que está ofreciendo este vendedor (por cierto, novato <img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/thinking.gif ALT=":pensando"> ). Por cierto, vaya locura con el ezReloj!
I´ve seen things you people wouldn´t believe...
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Si el International Cut lo distribuyó Criterion en Laserdisc
Cabe la posibilidad de que alguna tienda asiatica piratilla venda esa edicion en dvd, conceis alguna?
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>the 1992 "Director’s Cut" (a release which was prompted by the overwhelming success of this "workprint’s" brief run in LA in 1990 and 1991)<hr></blockquote>
Si mi inglés no me traiciona, esta Sneak Preview se reestrenó en circuitos de Los Ángeles allá por el '90 ó '91, y debido al entusiasmo que despertó cobró fuerza el proyecto de sacar el definitivo Director's Cut de 1992.
Por tanto debió circular esta versión a nivel de Filmotecas en los años posteriores hasta llegar a Madrid. No recuerdo, spinner 44, si estuvo encuadrada en algún ciclo en concreto o más bien en lo que ellos llaman "Si aún no la ha visto...o quiere volver a verla". Ni siquiera si fue en el '97 ó en el '98.
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Lástima que no abundaran los screeners en aquella época...
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En ebay -y fuera de eBay- se venden copia
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spinner 44 ¿puedes aclarar un poco más?<img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/smiley.gif ALT=":)">
¿Es una edición 'oficial' del International Cut en DVD? (siempre había oído que nunca salió este montaje en DVD) ¿O es, como dice Jinete, un disco pirata con el LaserDisc de Criterion pasado a DVD?
Una explicación, please.
Saludos
I´ve seen things you people wouldn´t believe...
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BLADE RUNNER - [INTERNATIONAL VERSION] - (CAV) - [SCI-FI] Widescreen (2.35:1), 1982, R, 118min, Criterion CC-1120L,
Criterion CC 1120L
Criterion Collection CC1120L, CAV, letterboxed (true aspect ratio 2.50:1), 4 sides, digital stereo, CX/analog stereo, 3M pressing, extensive still-frame supplements.
European Theatrical and Laserdisc Release Time: 117 minutes
-Batty sticks his thumbs in Tyrell's eyes, which bleed copiously.
-Pris lifts Deckard up by his nostrils when she beats him up.
Deckard shoots Pris a third time.
more of Pris kicking and screaming when she is shot by Deckard.
-shows Roy actually pushing the nail through his hand.
-contains the happy ending.
The added violence makes this version about 15 seconds longer than the US theatrical release. The 10th Anniversary video edition is the same as this release.
CONFIRMADO pues.
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Si esos datos están muy bien, pero sigo estando mosca. En el foro siempre se ha asegurado que el International Cut nunca ha salido en DVD, y me chirrían esos datos de la edición de Criterion con la misma portada que el Director's Cut pero cambiando la información del montaje...<img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/thinking.gif ALT=":pensando">
Saludos
I´ve seen things you people wouldn´t believe...
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Si esos datos están muy bien, pero sigo estando mosca.<hr></blockquote>
Pues no lo estés, Lobo... porque no hay ninguna duda: la única edición oficial de BLADE RUNNER en DVD es el Director's Cut. Como tampoco la hay del documental "On the edge of human", que te regala el vendedor de eBay o bien te vende por separado.
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Sr. Lobo,
No termine de leer bien tu pregunta. Como bien dice Batty, no existe una version oficial del International Cut en dvd, pero si transfers de Laserdisc a dvd con mas o menos extras incluidos como: el documental de Channel 4 "On the Edge of Human", las galarias de produccion de la edicion LD de Criterion....
Saludos
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Tema aclarado.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>otra cosa es, naturalmente, que por eso vaya a dejar de interesarnos.<hr></blockquote>
Interés que nos puede salir por unos 40 ó 50 €...<img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/apaleao.gif ALT=":apaleao">
Saludos.
I´ve seen things you people wouldn´t believe...
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Interés que nos puede salir por unos 40 ó 50 €... <hr></blockquote>
Ya, pero, ¿tú crees que ese precio excede en mucho el interés de alguien que haya elegido "Roy Batty" como su nick en estos foros? <img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">
Más le preocuparía a ese hipotético alguien la calidad audiovisual del volcado, por ejemplo.
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Hasta para alguien que podría parecer fan a ultranza de Quentin Tarantino, que eligiese el nombre de uno de sus personajes para aparecer por estos foros podría ser más que justificado el gasto; máxime cuando ese hipotético ser humano ha hecho una petición en la página anterior de este mismo thread por la cual pide que se apiade de él y de su salud mental alguna alma caritativa que poseyera el LaserDisc de marras para iniciar una distribución por lo bajini de dicho montaje. <img src=http://webs.ono.com/mundodvd/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=":D">
Saludos y salud mental
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Pues de momento habrá que seguir esperando, porque no he querido subir más allá de los 40$ y me han ganado por la mano.
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Ese DVD es una copia procedente de Korea, las mayoría de películas procedentes de estos lares tiene una calidad un tanto cutrista (compraros pelis en DVD en el top-mata y lo comprobareís).
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no
es una edicion pirtata. Las ediciones pirtas tienen mala calidad.
Si aprecia la buena calidad audiovisual, comprese ediciones koreanas originales. Es el mejor mercado de DVD que he visto nunca.
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Buena puntualización la de Astolfo.
Y sí, a mí también me preocupaba sobre todo la calidad del dvd doméstico éste, razón de más para no tirarme a lo loco a por él.
Por otra parte, creo haber dejado más que clara mi aversión más contundente a la piratería pura y dura; me parece ilícito y de idiotas el consumir material pirata con tal de a) ahorrarte unos céntimos, o b) adelantarte a la fecha oficial de lanzamiento. Pero casos como éste, junto con el más paradigmático, el de la trilogía original de STAR WARS, difieren mucho en mi opinión de la piratería pura y dura. Si en ambos casos no hubiese detrás un megalómano privándonos de una edición oficial del material original, yo me lanzaría de cabeza a por el DVD o megaset de DVDs tan pronto como estuviese en las tiendas. Pero me temo que en lo referente a STAR WARS eso no va a ocurrir jamás, y en cuanto a BLADE RUNNER, sabe dios cuándo se decidirá Perenchio a soltar el hueso; si le da por dejar el asunto organizado, bien pudiera ser que ni siquiera después de muerto.
Por eso tengo una copia pirata de la trilogía original de STAR WARS (paso de la edición que va a salir como de comer mierda, por muy perfecta que sea en el apartado técnico), y por eso estoy dispuesto a agenciarme con un volcado del LaserDisc de Criterion de BLADE RUNNER en cuanto dé con una copia que me ofrezca unas mínimas garantías de ser precisamente eso, y no un pobre transfer de un VHS cutrongo de alguna emisión hongkonesa.
Pero insisto: en todos los demás casos y circunstancias, abomino completamente todo lo referente a la pirateria (incluídos sus consumidores) y repudio su promoción en los foros.
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Amén.
Roy, si alguna vez consigues eso que dices, avísame y hablamos.
Saludos.
Ladrones</p>