Los Vengadores

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The Avengers cuando la vi en el cine no me desagradó, me gustó, pero algo no me cuadraba y no supe ver qué era, culpé al cine y a como se veía la imagen. Pues la he visto en casa por segunda vez en un proye con sala dedicada y pude detectar qué fue lo que no me cuadró cuando la vi en el cine... la cinematografía luce como un capítulo cutre de cualquier serie de televisión! De hecho por un momento pensé que el proyector tenia algo mal configurado. La iluminación, el trabajo de cámara, los decorados, todo televisivo... eso sí, los efectos especiales impecables y perfectos, especialmente todas las escenas de Hulk que son espectaculares.

Lo curioso es que por Internet hay infinidad de discusiones al respecto, no soy el único que lo ha notado. La peli es entretenida y me gusta, pero yo que soy muy exigente con la cinematografía pues me ha chocado muchísimo ese aspecto televisivo para semejante producción. .

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No sé si miras series de TV desde hace unos cuantos años pero ahora mismo hay un nivel totalmente cinematográfico en muchas de ellas. De hecho gente del cine está trabajando a la vez en ambos medios (sin ir más lejos: el dire de foto de Avengers está en la serie que está haciendo Whedon para la HBO). Lo que dices del nivel televisivo es pre SXXI o bien de lo que va quedando de series network (tipo procedimentales, médicos, abogados y demás que aún se van haciendo).

En cuanto a la foto de Avengers ciertamente el aspecto y demás es muy televisivo. A mi me da bastante igual pero comprendo que choque bastante. De todas formas la gran victoria del film es que podría haber sido un desastre y terminó siendo el despegue del MCU tal y como lo conocemos hoy en día, inaugurando el tamaño comercial, así como el tono final humorístico de la misma (ahí ya entramos en si escribe Gunn u otro, etc) además del 4o hito del género en cuanto a influencia en el medio (Superman, Batman, Spider-Man y Avengers).

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Espero que para Ultron el Whedon haya mejorado un poco su trabajo de cámara, porque tengo un buen recuerdo de ella.

Ahora toca para verano Iron Man 3 jejeje.

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Para Ultron hay cambio de aspecto y foto, sí. Ya es otra cosa. Por cierto, aunque siempre es necesario para ver las películas tal y como son, en Ultron es conveniente la V.O.: todo el personaje parte de como James Spader suelta cada puta línea. Ni me he atrevido a probar 5 segundos a ver como es doblado porque me da hasta cosa ver que película B habrán parido pero Spader hace un trabajo descomunal con su voz.

De Whedon, no obstante, ya has catado en tu revisión: reescribió Captain America y dirigió la escena post creditos de Thor. Y en todo lo que te viene ahora en la Fase 2 también pues metió mano en todas. Casualmente en la que debió meter menos, Iron Man3, tiene un crédito pero puede que sea por el consejo que Shane Black dice que Whedon le dio acerca de como afrontar un rodaje así:

Joss Whedon came to me when I was kind of freaking out about all the moving parts and said, ‘Just trust the machine. [Marvel Studios President Kevin] Feige is good at what he does. Do your part, work hard, but you don’t have to control every moving part. These guys are good. They’ll show you how to do this.’ And from that point on, I just opened my ears and had a tremendous experience learning how movies function at that level. I trusted the machine, and I still think Marvel is the one doing it right. I think they’re great over there.

Sisi, obviamente no me refiero a tv estilo house of cards o true detective, me refiero a sitcoms o series "televisivas" de antaño en donde la iluminación es total, los personajes están muy pegados a la cámara, el movimiento es más fluido y cosas así.

A mí me ha gustado las dos veces que la vi, pero prefiero una cinematografía más de cine.

Remembering When ‘The Avengers’ First Met – And How They Punched the Crap Out of Each Other

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Recall – if you don’t mind being bossed around a bit – that viral video of an Avengers: Endgame audience losing its mind at the sight of Captain America wilding Mjölnir for the first time. What a huge moment. Endgame wasn’t so long ago that we forgot how that felt as it happened, but the existence of that video also helps make sure we never forget that elation, the straight-up childlike joy that moment produced.

Now – sorry, I am still bossing you around – imagine the first Avengers film. Compared to Endgame, the Battle of New York almost feels like a Max Fischer production (something Endgame actually gives you an opportunity to consider). Thor’s hair still isn’t quite the right mixture of prettyboy beauty and sweaty-warrior disgusting. Captain America’s costume is a little too plastic and cheesy. No one had any idea what to do with Hawkeye yet.

Nevertheless, Marvel was creating show-stopper moments even this far back. Not in every film, but certainly in the big ones. And The Avengers was their first attempt at a really big one. It seems quaint now, but at the time, the first fight between members of Marvel’s super-team was jaw-dropping.

The Scene
It’s a cliche that superheroes fight when they first meet, but it’s one of those good cliches that makes too much sense to ignore. These are superheroes, centers of their own stories. Each is totally used to being the smartest person in the room. The strongest person in the room. Heck, even the best-looking person in the room. Meeting someone who challenges that worldview is going to lead to a tussle.

And that’s precicely what happens as Marvel’s big three at the time – Thor, Iron Man and Captain America – first meet. At the time the only other Avenger we felt familiar with was Black Widow. These guys were the MCU and seeing them share the screen was a delight four years in the making. It would have been boring if they all stood in a triangle and shook hands.

Writer/director Joss Whedon doesn’t arbitrarily create the fight either. Cap and Iron Man have captured Loki and Thor feels it well within his rights to nab his brother for Asgardian justice. And of course that’s not going to fly with our Earth-bound heroes, so… fight!

Why It’s So Great
This early on, I don’t know if we can call the fight choreography and effects all that delightful. They aren’t bad, but this is far from the most exciting Marvel fight. The woods are an interesting setting, but also a dark one that masks some of the iffy visuals.

Instead, the greatness here comes down to Joss Whedon’s writing. His interpretation of these characters helped cement how we saw them going forward, and this fight offers a whole lot of that charm and character knowledge. Thor is haughty to the point of self-parody, a point Iron Man instantly picks apart. The idea that Thor’s main weapon, lightning, would help Iron Man more than hurt him is inspired. Captain America’s role as the measured mediator makes him almost as lame as he is cool, which fits the character’s whole Boyscout deal.

The scene now seems somewhat underrated or forgotten. The first half of The Avengers isn’t always exciting and this early bit of action gets swept aside once the film really starts rolling with its main plot (and secret main character, Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk). Even when it comes to Avenger versus Avenger fighting, Thor versus the Hulk is way more satisfying in terms of action.

Instead, this scene ends up playing as a surprise reminder upon rewatches. Truthfully, I always settle in for a quiet first half and find myself pleasantly woken up by this initial Avengers altercation. There would be more, by the way. Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch begin as enemies. Iron Man’s away team fights the Guardians of the Galaxy in Infinity War. And then there’s that whole Civil War thing. It might be easier to count the times they weren’t fighting.

What If?
What if Thor didn’t pull any punches? Here’s the deal – and I don’t want to anger any Iron Fans – but we see Thor take a full blast and not care, plus we see him crush Iron Man’s armor with his bare hands. In other words, Iron Man cannot hurt Thor, but Thor can crush Iron Man. So what if Thor, you know, killed Iron Man before Captain America could interrupt? Because that is definitely where that fight was headed.

The answer is less fun than the question: everything goes to hell and Loki becomes King of Earth until Thanos gets all his rocks together and the blip happens without issue. Maybe – MAYBE – Captain Marvel shows up earlier as a result, but probably not and would it even matter if she did? This is why fighting with your friends is bad, gang.

Análisis del guión utilizando el shooting draft original:

The Avengers Script PDF Download: Plot, Quotes, and Analysis