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Pues con el Iban para hacer la transeferencia t vale. Acuerdate de poner tu nick y codigo de producto a la hora de hacer la transferencia.
Sobre el barebone, pues t aconsejo lo ultimo XD.
.- Shuttle SB95PV2
.- P4 . LGA775 - 3,4 Ghz o superior
.- 1 Gb - (memoria de marca a poder ser y con la menor latencia posible)
.- HD 160 o 200 GB Seagate
.- ATI - (la mayor q puedas permitirte, en grafica para Pana700 es la mejor marca)
.- y despues lo q le quieras añadirle tu
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aprobenchando que estas hoy por aqui
buenas noches Gn0m4 he ido a una tienda para pillarme un barebone y me gustaria saber lo que estas usando tu en el tuyo vamos si no es secreto de estado<img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/wink3.gif ALT=":))"> o que me aconsejes uno que sepas tu que no me va a dar problemas con el pana es que estoi mas especializado en redes inalambricas est para mi es nuevo otra cosa ya que me pong a escribir es normal que con la salida vga se vea en la pantalla como muchos granillos no se la conecte el otro dia al portatil por vga y se me ven mejor en la xbox que en el portatil <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/hola.gif ALT=":hola">
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mejor un AMD 64
saludos
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Nos llegan nuevos datos tecnicos de la mano de TomHuffman
<span style="text-decoration:underline">Panasonic AE700, ColorFacts, and me</span>
Introduction
The Panasonic AE700 is an odd projector. It is capable of considerable light output, yet when used in its preferred mode its light output is crippled. It is capable of excellent color performance, yet out of the box the color performance is more or less abysmal. I can’t stress this last point too strongly. Unless you plan on having your AE700 calibrated by a professional or you have some calibration tools you can use at your disposal, I can’t recommend this projector.
I say this based on my experience with projectors such as the Sony HS20 and the InFocus 4205. Although neither of these PJs is perfect out of the box, they can both offer a reasonable approximation of D65 with adequate brightness without a lot of tweaking. On the other hand, the AE700 color balance exhibits an obvious purplish hue that just ruins the image at all of the color temp/preset combinations I tried.
Selecting a preset
To begin, there are a bewildering number of presets to choose from. The Color Temperature setting is set at 0 by default. The user can adjust this up or down. One might imagine that 0 was reasonably close to D65 and that moving this adjustment up or down would adjust the color temperature to the blue or red side respectively of D65. Nope. When set at 0, the AE700’s color temperature exhibits considerably too much blue and red.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...B-cinema-0.jpg
When set to –1 red and blue just trade intensity.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...B-cinema-1.jpg
In either case, the image looks distinctly purple. These measurements were taken using the Cinema 1 preset that Panasonic touts as a special color matrix designed by professionals specially for film reproduction. The unit offers several other presets as well, but I tested only Cinema 1 and Normal, the only two that seemed likely to provide good film performance.
Needless to say, I wasn’t too happy with this preset. I thought I would check the light output in this mode. I was surprised to discover that the uncalibrated light output in the Cinema 1 mode was 220 lumens in low lamp mode and 286 lumens in high lamp mode. 286 lumens produces only 9.6 FtL on a 100” diagonal neutral gain screen. After calibration, the light output would have been even lower. This is unacceptably dim for any application other than one that includes a high gain screen, which has its own set of problems. In the course of performing these measurements, I did discover one aspect of the AE700’s default performance that I liked. The fan is extremely quiet. The AE700 is more quiet in high lamp mode than the Sony HS20’s fan in low lamp mode. Other than the fact one would presumably experience less lamp life in the high mode, this is the preferred mode of operation. Indeed, as we will see, there are other reasons as well to run this projector in high lamp mode.
Given the disappointing result with Cinema 1, I thought I’d try the Normal preset, which obviously offered greater light output. In high lamp mode the Normal preset provided a whopping 768 lumens. Unfortunately, in this mode the color performance is even worse than in Cinema 1, as the graphs below indicate.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...t/70-RGB-0.jpg
Normal mode, 0 color temp
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh.../700-RGB-1.jpg
Normal mode, -1 color temp
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh.../700-RGB-2.jpg
Normal mode, -2 color temp
As you can see, the lowest color temperature setting of –2 came the closest to accurate gray scale tracking, so I used that as my starting point for the calibration.
User adjustments
First, I checked the standard contrast, brightness, sharpness, saturation, and hue controls and color decoder performance using Avia Guide to Home Theater. Brightness and Contrast seemed just about right out of the box, but the Tint and Color controls required considerable tweaking. The sharpness also needed reducing to about –6. Finally, the color decoder showed modest errors, pushing both blue and red about 5%. Fortunately, this error is small enough that I did not notice any problems during normal viewing: the AE700 offers no controls to adjust the color decoder.
Color performance
With the user controls properly adjusted and the projector set to Normal with a Color Temperature of -2, I set out to calibrate the gray scale. In a welcome move, Panasonic included the white balance adjustments directly on the user menu, allowing anyone to adjust gray scale tracking without having to enter a secret service menu. After about 15 minutes of going back and forth between the low and high end of the gray scale, I was able to dial in essentially perfect gray scale tracking from 30 IRE to 100 IRE. Below 30 IRE, the performance skews towards blue.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...-final-RGB.jpg
Normal preset, -2 color temperature after calibration
This is excellent performance, and helps to explain why I have such mixed feelings about this projector. It can provide a beautiful image, but you have to work to get it. After calibration the light output had diminished significantly, but at 500 lumens in high lamp mode it was still much higher than what the anemic Cinema 1 preset offered. 500 lumens would produce just under 17 FtL on a 100” diagonal neutral gain screen, which is actually a little too bright. You can use the low lamp mode if you prefer. It still produced about 400 lumens, or about 13.5 FtL on the same screen (SMPTE recommends 12-15 FtL).
With the color calibration complete, I checked the AE700’s ability to accurately render the three primary colors.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh..._CIE_Chart.jpg
As you can see from the CIE chart, blue is nearly perfect and red is only slightly shifted towards yellow. A clearly undersaturated green offered the only significant error. This is a rather benign error. I would much rather live with an undersaturated green than an over-saturated neon, glowing green that some digital projectors produce.
Contrast
Much has been written about the AE 700’s dynamic iris and the significant improvement in contrast performance that it offers. I performed all of my tests with the dynamic iris on. After calibration, I measured the on/off contrast ratio of the AE700, which resulted in the following.
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...0-contrast.jpg
On a hunch, I thought that I would check the contrast in the low lamp mode. In theory this shouldn’t make any difference. In a lower light output mode, the blacks and the whites should be reduced proportionally, yielding the same output ratio. To my great surprise, I got the following reading:
http://https://home.comcast.net/~tlh...rast-today.jpg
I have never seen this and I can only attribute this strange result to the dynamic iris. In the high lamp mode the iris keeps the blacks at about the same level, but at full output it opens up and lets out a lot more of the available light. (Note: the slight increase in black in the low lamp mode was the result of taking these measurements on different days. With small changes in the placement of the sensor, one can expect minor deviations.)
Thus, I would recommend that you use this projector in the high lamp mode to get maximum performance. The fan is so quiet it really doesn’t make much of a difference.
Subjective impressions
I spent about an hour looking at several DVDs. The color performance was exemplary. Also, especially in the high lamp mode, the image had a punchy, 3-D characteristic that was very appealing. I had only two reservations about the image quality.
First, I found the image on DVDs slightly softer than my reference Sony HS20. Whether this was the result of the AE700’s lower pixel count or its smooth screen technology, I can’t say. On the other hand, high definition sources did not exhibit this softness, and I thought that the AE700’s image was superior to the Sony’s. The Panasonic image took on a truly beautiful film-like quality, while the Sony seemed more video-like. I would like to have tried the HDMI input, but the only DVI-enabled DVD player at our disposal was not working properly. All viewing was conducted using a 480P component input.
Second, although I witnessed no vertical banding, I did notice a fair amount of fixed panel noise. I cannot describe this easily, but imagine viewing an image projected through a slightly dirty window. This is a problem endemic to all of the D4 Epson LCD panels that the AE700 and other vendors use. This was not a dramatic effect, but again I thought that the HS20 was superior in this regard (Sony panels have always seemed less prone to this problem).
Conclusion
What’s the bottom line? If you plan to have this projector calibrated, then I can enthusiastically recommend it. It offers beautiful color, a silent fan, high light output, and the best contrast ratio of any LCD projector I’ve ever tested (I’ve yet to get my hands on a HS51). The unusually wide zoom range also offers an unprecedented amount of placement flexibility. This is a truly great feature that all projectors should include. If you do not plan to calibrate it with professional tools (Avia alone simply isn’t enough), then I cannot recommend it. Its out-of-the-box settings are pretty bad, and fixing them by the naked eye is nearly impossible. In the end, I preferred the AE700 for high definition sources and the Sony HS20 for DVD. I surmise that the smooth screen technology is responsible for this. At lower resolution it imparts a slightly soft quality to the image that seemed to obscure detail. With a naturally high resolution source, the smoothing technology had the effect of simply making the image seem more film like.
No nos ha dicho su configuración personal exacta, pero si ha dejado miguitas par q cada uno la consiga conun pequeño esfuerzo:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>However, if you set it at -2 color temp with the Normal preset, calibrate the user controls with Avia, and then lower the Red and Blue Contrast and Brightness in the Advanced menu 3-4 ticks, you should get a pretty good image.<hr></blockquote>
Mi conclusion personal es q, el tio ha quedado impresionado de lo q es capaz de sacar el Pana con una simple calibración.
Lo ha probado sin filtro, con lo q la cosa mejoraria pero q bastante con el filtro puesto.
La diferencia de utilizar el modo HighLamp al LowLamp es mas q abismal a niveles de ratios de contraste. Me parece q alguien insinuo hace ya un tiempo q ver las peliculas en modo HighLamp le parecia una tonteria soberana, pues he aqui la diferencia.
Nada mas que añadir, q si podeis os compreis el filtro para obtener la mayor tasa de contraste posible y si no podeis, para ir tirando ya sabeis una buena configuración.
Un saludo y a disfrutar <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/palomitas.gif ALT=":palomitas">
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Mi conclusion personal es q, el tio ha quedado impresionado de lo q es capaz de sacar el Pana con una simple calibración.<hr></blockquote>
En concreto ha dicho esto:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>¿Cuál es la conclusión? Si tienes previsto hacer calibrar este proyector, entonces lo puedo recomendar sin reservas. Ofrece un color precioso, un ventilador silencioso, mucha luminosidad, y el mejor índice de contraste de cualquier proyector LCD que haya probado (aún no he podido echar mano a un HS51). El zoom, extraordinariamente amplio, también ofrece una flexibilidad de colocación sin precedentes. Esta es una característica estupenda, que todos los proyectores deberían tener. Si no tienes previsto calibrarlo con herramientas profesionales (sólo con Avia no basta), entonces no puedo recomendarlo. Sus valores de configuración recién salido de la caja son bastante malos, y es prácticamente imposible arreglarlos a simple vista. En último término, prefiero el AE700 para material de alta definición y el Sony HS20 para el DVD. Supongo que esto se debe a la tecnología Smoothscreen. Con menor resolución la imagen se hace algo difusa, lo que parece que tapa los detalles. Con una fuente de alta resolución de origen, la tecnología de suavizado tenía el efecto de hacer que la imagen pareciera más de cine.<hr></blockquote>
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No, pero el disponer de 3423423 usuarios con este proyector y 23423423 paginas en todos los foros sobre HC sirve de algo.
En este caso, da un gran soporte tecnico estupendo a la gente q no tenemos posibilidades.. digamos.... avanzadas.
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Ya lo han dicho muchas veces en cine4home: el que una calibración funcione para un proyector LCD concreto no quiere decir que funcione para los demás. Y no es (solamente) porque quieran ganar dinero; lo demostraron midiendo las curvas de temperatura de color y RGB en 25 ejemplares de Sanyo Z2. El resultado obtenido no deja lugar a dudas: había una variación considerable en los resultados "out of the box".
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La calibración consiste en una corrección de los valores iniciales allá donde se desvíen de la norma (D65 en este caso). Si el punto de origen es distinto, es evidente que la corrección no te llevará al punto de destino. Álgebra pura. <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/aprende.gif ALT=":aprende">
Por último, tu afirmación de que tienes colorimetría D65 no es más que una suposición. Lo más que puedes decir es "estoy utilizando una configuración que da D65 en otro AE700 calibrado con instrumental".
Con afirmaciones así estás engañando a todos los actuales y posibles propietarios del AE700, que están viendo el 81EF como bálsamo de Fierabrás.
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Con esos emoticonos y esas fotos no intentas más que eludir las deficiencias de fondo de la postura que vienes defendiendo en este foro, y escurriendo el bulto de los problemas constatados por personas que tienen los conocimientos y el instrumental necesario para fundamentar sus conclusiones.
A lo mejor has tenido suerte y tu AE700 es idéntico al de aquel que calibró su proyector con el filtro. Enhorabuena. Pero es muy probable que la mayoría de los demás proyectores no lo sean, por lo cual si usan esos valores, es muy posible que acaben con una imagen incorrecta (como ya le pasó a un forero). Y decir que eso es porque están usando un lector de sobremesa es otra manera de echar balones fuera.
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Si no se os ve ninguna foto avisarme para editar el post
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La verdad, es una lastima que no tengamos acceso a material de calibracion profesional, lastima para otros, porque por lo menos a los de este foro y a la gente q mira Inet NO NOS HACE FALTA.
Tenemos la suerte de poseer 31313 configuraciones con sus correspondientes resultados testados con material de calibración.
De hecho, no tengo ni idea de calibración, pero ya disfruto de 2237:1 de contraste y D65 <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/grin.gif ALT=":D">
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>pero ya disfruto de 2237:1 de contraste y D65 <hr></blockquote>
Medido con... <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/interrogacion.gif ALT=":?">
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Smart III por supuesto <img src=https://www.mundodvd.com/forum/emoticons/palmas.gif ALT=":palmas">
PD: ¿Se ven las fotos?
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Ah, ¿ya lo has recibido?
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