Tema: Proyector | Sony VW60 Amethyst

Estoy con enzo, con 2000 Euros se pueden pagar muchas averías. Que me lo vendan aquí en España sin garantía y a este precio, quitando los 15 días que marca la ley para poder devolverlo y voy corriendo a comprarlo. Las tasas, en caso de cobrarlas, no suben más de 200 Euros, sin embargo, si se hace a través del servicio de correos es posible que lo puedan pasar sin pagar nada. Mi amiguete se trajo el Sanyo Z5 y no le cobraron ni un céntimo.

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Estoy con enzo, con 2000 Euros se pueden pagar muchas averías. Que me lo vendan aquí en España sin garantía y a este precio, quitando los 15 días que marca la ley para poder devolverlo y voy corriendo a comprarlo. Las tasas, en caso de cobrarlas, no suben más de 200 Euros, sin embargo, si se hace a través del servicio de correos es posible que lo puedan pasar sin pagar nada. Mi amiguete se trajo el Sanyo Z5 y no le cobraron ni un céntimo.

"Talmente dacuerdo"

No llego a comprender ni compredere por que existe tal disparate o diferencia de precio :(

Esperemos que Javier G. pueda realizar una review del bicho pronto.

Con ese contraste, las mejoras introducidas y el precio que tiene probáblemente pueda hacer sombra a los DLP como el Benq.

Hombre... tubo que salir el Benq... en fin. La cuestión es... ¿tiene negros el Benq...?

Si bien con iris cerrado si que los tiene... con el iris a la apertura recomendada por quien lo tienen y frente a un Perla bien "puesto" me temo que no hay "tu tía". Pero en fin.

en supersonido ya lo tienen a buen precio,casi regalado,por mi parte estoy apunto de coger la targeta de credito pedirlo a pricejapan,solo necesito ver un analisis de este bicho y ver q tal se porta con la tela smx q tengo enrollada desde q se iso la compra conjunta,la paciencia q he tenido para poder comprar el proyector mas moderno q me fuera posible.salu2

Pese a que su PVP esta anunciado por 4490 euros. Ya estan empezando a salir las primeras ofertas rondando los 4000. Claro que comprarado con lo de PriceJapan lo de oferta suena a cachondeo
Un saludo

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en supersonido ya lo tienen a buen precio,casi regalado,por mi parte estoy apunto de coger la targeta de credito pedirlo a pricejapan,solo necesito ver un analisis de este bicho y ver q tal se porta con la tela smx q tengo enrollada desde q se iso la compra conjunta,la paciencia q he tenido para poder comprar el proyector mas moderno q me fuera posible.salu2

Lo bien que hiciste, esa tela vale más que el proyector ahora. Yo estoy en la misma, voy a ver como anda este nuevo SXRD en las reviews.

sólo una cuestión.tengo la oportunidad de comprar "la perla" a buen precio en mi ciudad con las ventajas que eso supone.¿creeis que la salida de este proyector supondrá una bajada notable en el precio de sus antecesores? ¿merecerá lapena esperar a después de navidad?.
como anecdota decir que en el sony center o como se diga ,no sabían ni de la existencia del vw60 y eso que se puede ver perfectamente en la web de sony españa,en fin.

un saludo

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sólo una cuestión.tengo la oportunidad de comprar "la perla" a buen precio en mi ciudad con las ventajas que eso supone.¿creeis que la salida de este proyector supondrá una bajada notable en el precio de sus antecesores? ¿merecerá lapena esperar a después de navidad?.
como anecdota decir que en el sony center o como se diga ,no sabían ni de la existencia del vw60 y eso que se puede ver perfectamente en la web de sony españa,en fin.

un saludo

las unidades que tengad¡n en stock del vw50 quizas las bajen ahora con la salida del vw60 pero yo no esperaria hasta navidades para ello. Piensa que es un cacharro de produccion limitada y que ya no vana a fabricar mas. con lo cual el poco stock que haya desaparecera antes de navidad. lo que si podras conseguir sera vw50 de segundamano por aqui
un saludo

En pricejapan, ya lo tenemos en 2450E. ¿Será por la fortaleza del Euro?.
Este precio cada día se pone más tentador.

una comparativa entre el jvc hd1 y el sony vw60,haber si alguien puede traducirlo XD

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl...0/vplvw60.html

una comparativa entre el jvc hd1 y el sony vw60,haber si alguien puede traducirlo XD

http://www.avac.co.jp/vw60/vplvw60.html

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una comparativa entre el jvc hd1 y el sony vw60,haber si alguien puede traducirlo XD

http://www.avac.co.jp/vw60/vplvw60.html

No entiendo ni j, pero las fotos del Sony me gustan más.

Hi,

I don't see a VW60 impression thread in a real user setup so I'll start one. Just saw a friend's VW60 for 3 hours. It replaced a Marantz 720p DLP (12S4?). Screen is a Stewart Firehawk I think at 80" diag.

The black case looks... well very dark! In some way I kinda prefer my VW50 more shiny outlook! The remote is different with more direct access button such as a "iris" key to switch between AI1/2, manual and Off. Too bad there is no direct Input button.

In 1080p 1:1 input mode, the "Sharpness" control is more sensitive than the VW50. I need to turn it all the way to "Min" to show a single pixel pattern. The VW50 gives a 1:1 picture at Sharpness upto around 20.

Then I tried the new panel alignment control. Contrast to rational logic, the 0.1 pixel shift WORKS! The alignment works on Red and Blue panel. Each panels can be adjusted in 0.1 step upto 2 pixels in both directions. The sub pixel control does NOT affect 1080p 1:1 single pixel test pattern! With single pixel R/G/B convergence pattern, the pixel does shift in 0.1 pixel step! I seriously can not believe if Sony make a mechanical panel shift but the effect looks like it. Or maybe some really clever electronic shift? Anyway, it works and have NO ill effect even with a native 1080p source! On the other hand, this unit has a almost PERFECT panel alignment already, so there is really no need for alignment control! Maybe with the VW200 one may want to apply some "zone" alignment control to make small area with perfect convergence!

Ok, enough with the inspection and time to check some real video playback. Source is the PS3 playing blu-ray 1080p via HDMI. IMO, the black level seems quite a bit darker on the VW60 and the white level seems close. The picture looks quite a bit contrast than the VW50, in both on/off and intra-scene. Color rendering looks close or maybe a bit saturate than the VW50. The overall image sharpness looks quite a bit sharper than the VW50, maybe due to the higher contrast or better internal processing with the panel system. Overall the image looks cleaner and more dynamic than the VW50. It feels more like the JVC punchy tone but with natural color and finer detail.

I also tried switching the iris between AI1 and Off which are the 2 settings I use on the VW50. With the VW50, sometime I see the slight "brightness compression" artifact in AI1. But for the short time with the VW60, I didn't detect any BC artifact with AI1. And I think the iris action seems less aggressive and the difference between the iris Off seems quite subtle. With the VW60 higher native contrast, sometime I just left the iris at Off and the picture still looks very contrast without the slight "haze" effect with the VW50 at mid APL scene.

There is no shading issue on the unit and no bright corner. Overall, a very very nice update over the VW50. If one has a perfectly fine Pearl, then maybe we can wait for the next year. But if you really want a better Pearl now, then you know what color to look for!

regards,

Li On

Por otra parte, gracias a la proliferación de modelos full hd, por fín parece que nos beneficia a nosotros también, yo ayer estuve a punto de ganar una subasta por una perla que se ganó finalmente por ¡¡¡975 €!!! , de trinky y con garantía europea,"pa cagalse".Porque no era para mí ,que si no no se me hubiese escapado ese chollazo, digo con eso que no perdamos de vista los cholletes que pueden ir saliendo, que se ven auténticas gangas por ahí.Un saludo.

Estoy tan tranquilo esta mañana en el currelo y de repente me aparece un transportista con esto.







A primeros de Noviembre aparecerá publicada la review correspondiente.

Un saludo, Javier G.

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Estoy tan tranquilo esta mañana en el currelo y de repente me aparece un transportista con esto.







A primeros de Noviembre aparecerá publicada la review correspondiente.

Un saludo, Javier G.

para la semana q viene aparecera un transportista en mi casa con otro igual XD

Impresiones de un forero australiano poseedor de un JVC-HD1:

Hi Gents,

Apologies for the delay in posting any updates.

The good news for all concerned is that Sony have been kind enough to let me hold onto the review unit across the weekend again, as such additional info will posted over the next couple of days. I hope to have my full review up by Monday. I know it's starting to sound like a, "the product will be ready for shipment in two weeks" scenario, but bear with me guys as I'm doing my best to fit this in around my full time work and other commitments.

Anyway here is another entre'e until you guys get to feast on the main meal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) so to speak.

ANSI contrast measured out at 287:1, I believe Greg R reported a figure of 235:1 on his review of the VW50. I didn't perform this is the exact same manner Greg does when he quotes a figure using his modified ANSI measurement so it's more of an apples to oranges comparison. That being said whilst the method I used is also a figure-of-merit in the same way Greg's is it doesn't negate the effects the room would have on the final figure as much as Greg's would, so I suspect the figure of 287:1 could likely be improved upon by a small margin. If I get a chance I'll remeasure ANSI contrast once I've minimized any reflections that occur within the room whilst the checker board pattern is on the screen.

PKK I'd rather not go into specifics about the operation of the Iris system within my short updates as I feel that's best served for the full review where I can discuss it in detail. I will say however that the three sensitivity settings one can choose from whilst using the Auto 1 & Auto 2 Iris modes that being, Recommend, Fast and Slow provide (at least to my eyes) a clearly discernible difference in the way the Iris breathes or pumps luminance. With the testing I have done so far, Fast is well, just that. The change in luminance dependng on source material stands out like a sore thumb, for me it's a almost a smack in the face and reminds me in no uncertain terms that the impressive contrast the VW60 delivers is indeed Iris based. The Recommend sensitivity setting is more subtle whilst getting the job done ie. fade to blacks are made the most of as too are frame cuts from a low light level interior shot to an outdoor daylight scene for example, that being said the iris breathing is still visible. Now I need to do more testing on this but Slow as one would suspect provides the smoothest most discreet transition between a low APL (average picture level) scene where the iris aperture is stopped down to a high APL scene where it's most likely at its largest aperture size. The only potential catch which I'm yet to test properly is does Slow reduce the best absolute black level where it's most critical such as on a fade to black (FTB). By that I mean will the frames of video within the FTB have come and gone before the iris now opening & more importantly closing in a slower manner has failed to reach it's minimum aperture size in the short time supplied. If so a FTB will not be rendered with the best possible black level the light engine is capable of, low APL (non FTB) scenes may also suffer depending upon their on screen duration. Like I said the jury is out on which mode will prove to be the better, Recommend or Slow. I do indeed like what Slow does in the way of reducing Iris breathing, it's still visible without a doubt but it doesn't smack you in the face like Fast and to a lesser extent Recommend does as transitions are obviously smoother and more discreet (impact on contrast ratio not withstanding). I'll report on my final conclusion within my review, at this rate I'll have very little to add, just kidding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .

Hey Jack2, I was confident that the HDMI inputs were 1.3 spec and as is optionally "Deep Color" and "xvYCC" compliant, now I'm not so sure as I've read through the entire user manual and there is absolutely no mention of it whatsoever. You would think if the machine is compatible with the extended bit depth and colour gamut systems Sony would highlight the feature, at least in their manual. The guys over on AVS are also a bit confused too as the latest info is conflicting.

As I said before based on the initial info coming via the AVS forum I was certain the HDMI input was 1.3 spec and supported the above systems. I've had customers enquire about this feature of the 60 and at the time told them that the projector is indeed compatible with the "Deep Color" and "xvYCC" systems, as such future proof at least in this regard. Gents I'll ring my guy at Sony first thing Monday, whilst he is in marketing I'm sure a phone call or two to a technician should provide us with a yes or no answer. Especially considering at this late stage of the game as Sony Australia have units ready to ship.

That's all for now folks, I'm off to my theatre room to play with the 60 some more and note futher comparisons against my HD1. Yep, it's a tuff job but someone has to do it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .

Cheers,
Jus.

II).-

Hi Gents,

I know many are anxiously awaiting the posting of the my final review. I had attempted to log in several times over the weekend to post it, but was unable to do so. I imagine some of you guys had the same problem. Anyway the skinny on the matter is I feel it would be better to answer all the questions that have been thrown at me over the last week or so in a piecemeal fashion as quickly as I can, rather than post a long review that wouldn't be up for several days and as such risk having a lynching posse hot on my heels (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . When answering questions I'll obvioulsy expand on the subject where I have relevant info, I'll do this as much as possible.

Hey loser,

I spent a fair bit of time playing with the motorized lens zoom and found it to be quite easy to make small adjustments in either direction. Yes, if you hold the arrow keys on the remote control down for more than just a brief second the internally generated test pattern will increase/decrease in size rapidly, however very small adjustments can be made by just tapping the appropriate key quickly. I had no problems whatsoever picking a spot on my screen wall beyond the dimensions of my screen surface and hitting that spot time after time. Basically hold the appropriate button down until you're almost at the desired picture size, then with quick taps on the remote key you can dial it in precisely, presto!

Unfortunately there are no numbers or coordinates to aid the user when using the zoom on a regular basis as is required with a "poor man's" CIH setup. That being said the internally generated test pattern should do just fine once you have figured out your stopping points for both your 1.78:1 and 2.35:1 picture sizes.

It's worth mentioning that I felt both the motorized lens shift and more importantly lens focus behaved in a likeable manner too. The method outlined above works just fine for lens shift and suprisingly poses no problems when attempting to adjust the focus of the lens for it's optimum clarity. In the past I have meticulously focused my HD1 by assessing the crispness of indivdual pixels and the contrast of the inter-pixel spacing whilst eyeballing the screen, the motorized focus of the VW60 allowed me to do just that, however there was no need to go back and forth between screen surface and focus ring to achieve the optimum result, sweet!

For those guys wanting to achieve the absolute best focus the lens is capable of I found that eyeballing the text and arrow keys as illustrated on the lens focus adjust pattern will allow you to squeeze every last drop of detail out of this bad boy. Whilst being slightly off screen centre the aforementioned text and arrow keys are shown as a lighter shade of green compared to the rest of the pattern. This helps distinguish the sharpness of indivdual pixels within the pattern and also increases the contrast bewteen adjacent pixels and the inter-pixel gap. Simply, you want to have the edges of individual pixels to be as defined as possible and the inter-pixel gap to be as contrasted(dark) when compared to the adjacent light green pixel as possible, nothing could be easier (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) .

Onto a matter which I'm sure a lot of you are very interested in which is the clarity or sharpness of the image, in particular when compared to my HD1. I mentioned earlier in the thread that the image the VW60 threw was sharper than my HD1 and not just by a whisker either. Indeed it is. It's hard to qualify by how much so as it's dependant upon the source material more often than not. We all know that not every HD DVD is capable of the same level of crispness or image detail that King Kong, U-571 or The Departed can deliver as an example. Thus far the best disc I have in my HD DVD library with respect to clarity and perceived sharpness is King Kong. It delivers gobs of fine detail and in a big way. The HD1 looks very good when playing this disc, but the VW60 is just that bit better. Some of the closeups throughout the film look superb, the detail of the characters face's, with respect to wrinkles, skin pores and even beard stubble for that matter looked incredibly realistic and that was only on Naomi Watts (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) . That's not to say the same scene on the my HD1 looks soft and lacking in visible detail by comparsion, nothing could be further from the truth. It's more a case of the VW60 taking it to the next level. Texture that was visible on various objects in the foreground looked more realsitic than ever before, the word tactile comes to mind. Sure the HD1 has delivered the same feeling at times but the VW60 does it better still and with more frequency.

I should note that I feel this is attributed to the excellent panel convergence my unit exhibited OOTB more so than any significant differences in lens quality between the two. The superb factory convergence in conjuction with the panel alignment feature resulted in an alignment of all 3 panels far better than I would have thought possible with a 3 chip projector. Perhaps I was lucky enough to score a cracker, but I doubt it as the review unit was brand new and unopened upon delivery. I believe Sony Australia simply designated a few units of their first shipment for review and I scored one, I can't imagine that the powers that be would have known I'd going over VPL-VW60 serial # 2000140 with such close scrutiny. IIRC I mentioned that I'd corrected the panel convergence on my unit by + 0.3 for both blue horizontal and vertical, red was left untouched. After further inspection and this time only looking at the 1080p white circlehatch pattern on DVE HD DVD I pushed blue to + 0.4 for both horizontal and vertical planes, red was changed to - 0.2 in the vertical direction. The use of the internally generated pattern is quite handy as one can simply align red to reference green and then blue to reference green, as such red should now also be aligned to blue. However I felt for those who must tweak (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) , such as I, displaying the previously mentioned circlehatch pattern then throwing up the the panel alignment menu allows you to make a very small change then save it by hitting set. This will then bring your circlehatch pattern back up which allows for a quick assessment of what that 0.1 or 0.2 correction has done in the real world using a pattern delivered by your source machine and not an albeit useful bit an internally generated pattern nonetheless.

Summing up the additional sharpness and detail resolved when viewing the VW60 in comparison to my HD1 which has good to quite good panel convergence is more a function of the alignment of the 3 panels rather than a particularly nice lens employed by Sony on the VW60. It makes me wonder how crisp the VW200 could look with the use of its 144 zone point convergence and more importantly the addition of much touted Carl Zeiss optics, look out Marantz 11s1 and the like. Oops, I know I opened a can of worms there. Please don't flame me and make the effort to point out that a 3 panel projector will never match the clarity of a single chip projector over the entire screen because of ... etc. This is just speculation on my part as I'm very impressed with what the VW60 can do with an average lens and it's superb panel alignment feature. I'd expect the Zeiss lens not to exhibit any CA as you move towards the screen peripheral nor will there be a slight softening of the image across the very upper or lower portions of the screen induced by lens shift as I discovered with my unit.

That's all for now folks, I hope this was a worthy update to an already interesting thread. Also I trust you guys won't be too annoyed if I cover all the points I was going to mention in my final review in a piecemeal fashion as I have done here. Geez, who could manage to read through a review of such length anyway without taking a week of leave or two to do so (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) .

Cheers,
Jus.

Hi guys,

Here is a quick snippet of the review I'm working on, the following are figures for contrast ratio (on/off) and light output.
After taking measurments on Monday night I packed up my metre and kit without realising I'd forgotten to measure ANSI contrast, doh!
I'll get to that on tuesday night and time permitting re-measure light output from a min' throw, max' zoom configuration.

The readings I have taken are quite detailed, these however are just a quick summary, a highlight reel of sorts.

All figures were taken with the lamp in High mode ie. 200w not normal which is good for close to 130w (133w to be exact).

Contrast ratio, on/off

Iris mode: Off (native contrast) = 4,695:1

Iris mode: Manual (max' aperture size) = 4,762:1, (min' aperture size) = 6,221:1

Iris mode: Auto 2 = 17,605:1

Iris mode: Auto 1 = 21,885:1

Light output

Iris mode: Off = 467 lumens.

Iris mode: Manual (max' aperture size) = 443 lumens.

Iris mode: Auto 2 & Auto 1 = 455 lumens.

Gents, don't be too concerned by the low'ish lumen figures, these are with the projector set up at max' throw with minimum zoom.
My HD1 was putting out no more than 432 lumens with a brand new lamp in High mode with the same configuration. I predict 550 to 600 lumens will be achievable when set up for min' throw.
By the way all the readings were taken using the Middle colour temp and with the brightness set at 50, contrast set to 95 (don't worry there's still headroom at 98, so 95 certainly doesn't clip whites).
Lastly High lamp to Low lamp results in a loss of 33.5% of light output, which is very close to the 130w rated spec, also the lamp in my review unit has less than 10 hours on it.

There is sooo much more to cover but it's real late and I'm keen to hit the pillow, more to come soon.

Jus.

Saludos

Iniciado por javierg

Estoy tan tranquilo esta mañana en el currelo y de repente me aparece un transportista con esto.

¿Y porqué a mi nunca me pasa eso?

Iniciado por javierg

A primeros de Noviembre aparecerá publicada la review correspondiente.

Un saludo, Javier G.

Esperamos impacientes.

Iniciado por michigan

Hombre... tubo que salir el Benq... en fin. La cuestión es... ¿tiene negros el Benq...?

Si bien con iris cerrado si que los tiene... con el iris a la apertura recomendada por quien lo tienen y frente a un Perla bien "puesto" me temo que no hay "tu tía". Pero en fin.

Pues ahí querido amigo te equivocas. Primero que no entiendo eso de "la apertura recomendada". Recomendada...¿por quien? Que yo sepa la única recomendación es el estandard cinematográfico que habla de una luminosidad en pantalla de unos 15 foot lamberts, lo demás cuentos chinos.

Por otro lado, el Benq 9000 tiene mejor negro, si cierras el iris a tope con cualquier potencia de lámpara, que la perla con el iris en cualquier posición. (Me da igual auto 1, auto 2, que manual cerrado a tope, o en la posición Off)

Y no solamente eso, también tiene mejor negro en las mismas circunstancias que he comentado más arriba, que el VW60 que tengo en casa probando.

Un saludo, Javier G.

Después de tener escrito un extenso párrafo sobre el funcionamiento del desplazamiento de los paneles, me he arrepentido porque me iba a ganar la bronca del director y sólo os digo que el sistema funciona perfectamente y se pueden dejar perfectamente alineados. En mi caso venía el azul un poco desplazado en el plano vertical y con uno o dos puntitos lo he clavado.

Un saludo, Javier G.