The day after the World Premiere screening of "Black Sheep" at the Toronto International Film Festival -- which featured a red carpet full of, you guessed it, black sheep -- we had a chance to sit down with the film's writer-director Jonathan King and one of its stars, Oliver Driver, who goes through some truly gruesome and ridiculous abuse at the hands (or is it hoofs?) of sheep and various other species in this refreshingly good-natured (but gory) horror-comedy.
BD: Can you describe the origins of this project?
JK: I think I had the germ of the idea - to do a New Zealand horror movie about sheep - and I was thinking about what was the way in and where to go with that. A little while after that, the genetic engineering thing kind of came on board and that kind of made sense as a way in. And then making the hero scared of sheep was sort of the last piece of the puzzle. But the good thing about this idea is that it kept suggesting new stuff.
BD: I know that was the World Premiere last night, but have you been able to show the film anywhere in New Zealand yet?
JK: We've had a couple little screenings. We've shown it to like the babysitter and my younger sister and her friends, just to unofficially get some people together and listen to what they do in the room. But last night was the first real audience.
BD (to OD): What was it like acting with all the different effects? All the creatures?
OD: It was great because a lot of films these days, they're all digital so you're acting with a ping pong ball on a fishing rod. But this was all animatronics so the creature crawling up your back is actually a creature crawling up your back. You don't have to artificially create the fear - you feel it. You look and there it is.
JK: We had people from Weta Workshop, obviously, but our lead designer was Dave Elsey, who'd just come off "Revenge of the Sith." People were all on top of their game at prosthetics and make-up and stuff like that, but working on much bigger things where they don't get to do gross, gnarly, cool stuff. We were enjoying it and they were enjoying it. They were really excited, really into it.
BD: what was the most ridiculous thing you put actual sheep through in the making of the movie?
JK: At the end of the day, there's only so much that real sheep can do.
BD: They can walk down the red carpet, though.
JK: Those were Canadian Sheep. But I'm really thrilled if maybe you couldn't figure out when we used fake sheep. You probably could.
BD: There are some moments where it's comical how ridiculous the sheep's actions are. You're thinking, "a real sheep couldn't do that," but that's why it's so funny. Like driving.
JK: Well, we had a lot of conversations about whether they should have red eyes or big teeth and I kind of resisted that. I think sheep themselves tend to be scary. They've got big hooves and they've got quite bony faces and beady eyes so I wanted to make it all about the attitude of, what if they went crazy? It was about playing with that sort of stuff.
OD: There's forty million sheep in New Zealand and that's what makes them scary. One sheep's not that scary, but when you're surrounded by sheep...
JK: Like the zombie thing. If there's one zombie, you can just out-run it, but if there's two....
BD: Well, it is kind of a zombie movie because, when a human gets bitten, it turns into a sheep. Are you fans of zombie horror?
JK: Oh, yeah, yeah. "The Evil Dead" was a big one for me. And "Dawn of the Dead" I really loved.
BD: And animals-gone-wild horror as well. Like "The Birds."
JK: Obviously "The Birds." Yeah.
BD: Have you seen "Frogs" or any of those ones?
JK: Is there a frogs one?
BD: Yeah, there is. You should check it out. It's a seventies one.
OD: I remember "The Attack of the Flying Piranhas."
JK: That's "Piranha II," directed by James Cameron!
BD: So how did Weta Workshop get involved?
JK: I live in Wellington where they are and we just sort of caught up...and they're terrific. We said, "Look, here's what we want to make." And he [Richard Taylor] read the script and he loved it.
OD: What's cool about New Zealand is that Weta Workshop is huge, but at the same time they're still approachable and still in the coffee shops and hanging out. It's not like an elite compound that nobody can get to.
BD: Have you had any interaction with Peter Jackson?
JK: No. He knows about the film and his people are supportive. I think it would be too easy for his name to get linked to this project and it wouldn't be fair on him.
BD: It seems to be in the same spirit as "Bad Taste" and "Braindead."
JK: I totally respect that he would not want to get involved, though. It's worthwhile to stay at arm's length until he sees the film. But we really appreciate everything that the Wellington film environment helped us with.
BD: My mom's from Wellington and, over the years, I've shown her Peter Jackson's horror films, expecting her not to like them at all, but she loves all of these New Zealand horror films. And I know it sounds weird, but I think my mom would like your film.
JK: Great. You can tell her it was filmed in Titahi Bay and Makara. All that farm stuff was just twenty minutes out of town.
BD: What was the experience of balancing reality - trying to keep it real - and exaggerating for comic effect? Were you thinking about that a lot?
OD: Yeah. When I got the part, Jonathan talked about how he wanted Graham to be an environmentalist, but maybe the sort of environmentalist who wasn't one hundred percent attached to the values of it, who was really there to get the girls. He's like a scared guy who's desperate to make his mark so that, back at work, he can be the hero. He's not really motivated by the environment, he's motivated by greed.
BD: Do you see yourself as a horror filmmaker?
JK: I always want to be a fantastic filmmaker. Absolutely, yeah. I don't want to make realistic dramas or touching stories, I want to make fun films where cool stuff happens. I'd love to make another horror movie.
BD: What are the key films for you, as inspiration?
JK: "The Evil Dead," "Braindead," and "Dawn of the Dead."
BD: Would you consider doing a straight-up horror film without the comedy?
JK: Yeah, I've got another script, which is more of a ghost story.
BD: "The Tattooist"?
JK: No. "The Tattooist" is shooting at the moment. I've co-written that one, but I'm not directing it. But yeah, that one does have comedy in it. It's got some quite gnarly, cool horror things in it. But I've got another one, which is kind of like a ghost story, which is inspired by "The Haunting," which is one of my favorite movies. It's sort of like a straight-up scary one there.
BD (to OD): How do you pursue an acting career in New Zealand? Is there enough work to sustain a career?
OD: No. If you want to make a living as a movie actor, you can't do it in New Zealand. If you want to make it as a television actor, you can't do it in New Zealand, purely because of the size of the country. No matter how good you are, there's just not that number of films. We're not making one hundred films a year, but if you diversify...like I do a lot of theatre, I run a theatre company, I direct plays, and I act in plays so some money comes from that. I act in films when I can and some money comes from that and I do television work and I do voice-over work and I have a radio show and a television show and all of those things add up to being able to make a sustainable living. If you really want to just be an actor then you have to move to Australia or to LA or London or one of those places.
BD (to JK): Where have you worked in the past?
JK: I've only worked for myself, really. I've shot some music videos - I taught myself how to do that - and I've been writing the whole time. But I always wanted to make movies.
BD: Do you see yourself staying in New Zealand or would you potentially move out to Hollywood and make films there...if the opportunity presented itself?
JK: Yeah, if the opportunity was there. I mean, New Zealand is a great place to live, but I want to be able to make movies and there are only a few films made each year in New Zealand. But I think Peter Jackson has shown that you can make good movies without leaving.
BD: Could he have done that without building this infrastructure behind his films?
OD: No.
JK: No. I mean, he made "Braindead" then he made "Heavenly Creatures," which was bigger, and then he made "The Frighteners." And they were lucky, or skillful, to get "The Frighteners" back to New Zealand because he couldn't have gotten "King Kong" if he hadn't made "The Frighteners."
BD: So I understand that Icon Films is distributing the film in New Zealand, Australia, and the UK.
JK: That's correct
BD: But not in North America?
JK: No.
BD: Have you heard any response from distributors since last night or is there interest right now that you're aware of?
JK: I believe there is, but I'm staying out of it.
BD: How would you describe the film to the readers of Bloody-Disgusting.com?
JK: I would describe it as a fun ride, I hope. I hope it delivers a fun ride. And I hope it gets some laughs. There are lots of laughs and some scares and lots of gross stuff. We really just hope to deliver the best version of the splatter, zombie, sheep-shagging film possible. I'm sure there will be hundreds more coming out.