Tema: El padrino (The Godfather, 1972, Francis Ford Coppola) y secuelas

Puf, con ese subidón de tema, creía que se había anunciado y digo joder a ver si 2020 va a ser el año del 4K

La cosa es que este 4K va a dar bastante que hablar si sigue con las "modificaciones" de Coppola. Pero el HDR y que el grano se represente mejor lo ayude bastante.

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Puf, con ese subidón de tema, creía que se había anunciado y digo joder a ver si 2020 va a ser el año del 4K

La cosa es que este 4K va a dar bastante que hablar si sigue con las "modificaciones" de Coppola. Pero el HDR y que el grano se represente mejor lo ayude bastante.

Me paso igual entre con una emocion y diciendo por fin jajajja

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Me paso igual entre con una emocion y diciendo por fin jajajja

Nada de modificaciones, el negativo original estaba jodido y los DVD antiguos tenían un color muy distinto porque partían de duplicados de mala calidad. Lo que se ha hecho al restaurar es aplicar los 4 puntos de amarillo +1 punto de rojo, de Gordon Willis, quien por cierto estaba vivo, supervisó la resturación, dio indicaciones y la vio proyectada y dijo que era "dead on" con respecto a como la habia rodado.


De DVD Beaver:

By the time I received my review copy, there was already a reaction on the Net to the Coppola Restoration. Some felt that it was not so much a restoration as simply a brightening, and even charged Coppola, Willis and others with caving into criticism that the film was too dark – not in terms of dramatic tone, but picture quality. Others compared the Blu-ray to the Restoration as projected in 2K at the Ross Theatre on the Warner lot and declared it to be exactly similar. By the way, it is curious that it's called the Coppola Restoration since, so it appears in the featurette, his only contribution was to ask Steven Spielberg, in his then new relationship with Paramount, that it be done.

So the question naturally occurred to me: What exactly should we be criticizing here? What should be the province of our review – or any review? I knew that whatever memory I had of the original theatrical presentation some 35 years ago had been replaced by time, various video incarnations and my own imagination. (It was reassuring to hear Francis admit to the same.) I also had the experience of seeing other restorations that seemed to me to be at odds with the intent of the drama. In any case, who am I to say what evil lurks in the minds of men – or what color or exposure was intended?

So I decided that before launching into any of the restorations, I would first watch the 19-minute featurette on the whys and wherefores. This turned out to be something of a revelation for me, historically and artistically. The first thing I learned was that the original camera negative (we're talking about the 1972 Godfather) was so overused, it had become useless. Second, that Willis shot the movie deliberately so that the only way to print it was the way he shot it, with none of the usual compensations for exposure latitude, resulting in an unusually thin negative which was one of the reasons it fared so badly. Third, that Willis used no on-camera filtration.

I repeat, Willis shot without filters. He expected that the golden tone that we associate with the movie would be applied in the processing. But since the negative was no longer viable, and surviving prints were not in terrific shape, it was not entirely clear what the color scheme should actually look like. Willis was consulted for the restoration, but he was not directly involved. According to the featurette, Willis stated that he expected "4 points of yellow plus 1 point of red" over normal. So when we look at the restoration and it appears to us reddish, it may be that this in comparison to what we are used to, which might have been more like 10 points yellow + 1 point red. Truth is that it's been so long since I have worked with color filters on negative film that I really can't say with any confidence what 4+1 should come out to given any scene. For my part, the new color palette took some getting used to, but I eventually tumbled to it.

As for brightness, in some parts of the first movie – less so, I think, of the second – Willis, we are told, was going for a look of old Anscochrome which results in something like old home movies – which is very much what Connie's wedding looks like in the restoration: almost amateurishly overexposed. The videos we have seen up to now have added a considerable amount of yellow to what was essentially a seriously overexposed negative, so that it appears to have more image content than the restoration – which, in a way, it does – but it's not, so the restorers would argue, what Willis shot, or wanted.

Back to the restoration: So what was needed was a worldwide casting call for any exiting prints or parts of prints for all three movies – the most in need of work were the first two, especially The Godfather. The redoubtable Robert Harris supervised a multi-stage restoration process that eventually made its way into 4K. When you see what the restoration team had to work with I think you will be aghast; and when you see what their work looked like in its various stages I am equally certain you will be astonished; and as for the final result: appreciative, if not satisfied.



Y toma, subtitulado en castellano:

Eso me recuerda a que me parece increíble que, las remasterizaciones en 4K que se hicieron hace una pila de años de obras maestras como esta o Lawrence de Arabia, que ya están hecha y solo hay que hacerle el HDR y masterizarla, etc, todavía no hayan salido.. ¿no debería ser menos trabajo sacar estas que ya tienen su masterización hecha en 4K?

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Eso me recuerda a que me parece increíble que, las remasterizaciones en 4K que se hicieron hace una pila de años de obras maestras como esta o Lawrence de Arabia, que ya están hecha y solo hay que hacerle el HDR y masterizarla, etc, todavía no hayan salido.. ¿no debería ser menos trabajo sacar estas que ya tienen su masterización hecha en 4K?

Ojo, que Robert Harris opina que el HDR/Dolby Vision no es "apropiado" para todas las peliculas, y que no cree que beneficie la fotografía del Padrino.


Así que igual vemos una edición con resolución 4K pero sin HDR (alguna hay ya).

¿Hay alguna edición en UHD que no tenga HDR? Desgraciadamente el HDR y Dolby Vision se ha convertido en un reclamo publicitario, algunas películas las beneficia, en otras, es colorimetría cambiada a mal para vender teles..

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¿Hay alguna edición en UHD que no tenga HDR? Desgraciadamente el HDR y Dolby Vision se ha convertido en un reclamo publicitario, algunas películas las beneficia, en otras, es colorimetría cambiada a mal para vender teles..

Se supone que no debería ser eso, sino que, respetando la intención orginal, ofrecer mas espectro de color y mayor rango dinámico, lo cual es bueno. Pero...

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¿Hay alguna edición en UHD que no tenga HDR? Desgraciadamente el HDR y Dolby Vision se ha convertido en un reclamo publicitario, algunas películas las beneficia, en otras, es colorimetría cambiada a mal para vender teles..

Así a bote pronto, Valerian en España, la edición USA de Hotel Artemis.