Tema: El padrino (The Godfather, 1972, Francis Ford Coppola) y secuelas

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And when you couple that with Mr. Yarbrough's comments on the work he and his team at MPI did to "take advantage of the larger color palette, and higher dynamic range of HDR and the extra pixels of 4K TVs" on the current doc, it seems to me very clear who and where the decision was made to alter the color timing. When you watch the new documentary, you have the archivist at Zoetrope (James Mockoski) and the two women in Paramount who were in charge of the project (Andrea Kalas and Laura Thornburg) talk glowingly of the 2007 effort and how that was to be the reference point for the new project. They even mentioned it was the last thing Willis blessed, and Thornburg kept reciting the "four point yellow, one point red" to Jan and his team at MPI (she says this nearly verbatim in the 50th anniversary documentary). So with the Zoetrope Archivist and Paramount Project managers on record (via the video doc) as wanting to honor and maintain the look of the 2007 effort, but just with the added benefit of 4K transfer and a better compression codec...it's clear that it was when the data was handed over to MPI and Jan starts talking about all the changes he and his team made where the divergence from the original stated intention occurred.

Gordon Willis didn’t initially have any hands on input into timing the 2007 restoration but nor did Coppola, everything was being done in LA while Willis was way out east and Coppola presumably sequestered in San Francisco, keeping in touch with Robert A. Harris via email. Just a matter of geography.

But Daviau took an original print out to Cape Cod to screen for Willis to get his input on whether it was a true colour reference - presumably gleaning first hand insights into what Willis wanted - and when work was far enough advanced they got Coppola in to view some tests and give his explicit approval. The final results were of course screened for both men where Willis was compos mentis enough to note that the modern print stocks couldn’t handle the blacks properly (which is why to this day Robert A. Harris prefers seeing the 2007 restoration exhibited as data rather than film print).

So, in a way, calling that The Coppola Restoration was something of a misnomer and IMO it’s why they went back and did it all again 15 years later, so Coppola could truly oversee the project and make sure his personal tastes were imprinted upon the movies (he worked besides the colorist in the same room at Zoetrope headquarters).

Has he rolled back the revisionism of the 2007 edition to get it more like how it was, or has one bout of revisionism been replaced with another to fit whatever Coppola’s modern day sensibilities are? Probably a bit of both. But I’m very glad the 2007 versions are still there on those blurays and while they’re not perfect they’re still a fine way to watch the movies.

I do have to chuckle though at the, not hand-wringing per se, but the consternation that’s greeted the change to the colour palette of these movies because a fair few people absolutely hated how the 2007 restoration looked when they first appeared. Too dark, too yellow, too orange, nothing like how they did back in the day, but flash forward 15 years and they’re regarded as scripture. That’s not a dig at anyone in particular, it’s just how it goes.

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In an old interview with Gordy Willis from well before this restoration was a twinkle in RAH's eye he'd plainly said that his intention was to bathe the movie in a golden amber hue, they even used lights on-set that were warmer than the regulation 3200K tungsten to do this.

But for whatever reasons it seems it never quite made it into the final theatrical 'look' of the film so while the 2007 could definitely be considered as a revision in one sense, especially the retrofitting of Part III to match that golden look, it was actually something that Willis HAD intended all along and had even lit the movie for, yet it never translated across properly.

Reading between the lines it might be worth regarding the 2007 as the 'Willis/RAH Restoration' and call the 2022 iteration the actual 'Coppola Restoration'.



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By all accounts, I was color timed in 2007 to meticulously match the archived, I.B. Technicolor answer print that was held by the Academy Archive. Harris even said that said print had the lab sign-off papers from Gordon Willis from 1972 approving the color still in the film cans. II, on the other hand, didn't have a single perfect print- they had to Frankenstein one together from several different I.B. prints, picking the best looking scenes from each, in order to come up with a single, decent reference print. Since said print wasn't the ACTUAL answer-print, though, I'm sure they felt they had some leeway when it came to color timing II back then vs. I. And III, yeah, I believe you're right that they adjusted that one to more closely match the looks of I and II.

Viendo lo dificil que es encontrar los packs en bluray en castellano, y viviendo fuera de españa aun mas, he encontrado los steelbooks en amazon suecia.

Ya se que tema de color etc...no son las versiones que propuso Harris en 2007, pero respecto al audio, eso si que me molesta bastante, el doblaje es el original? Solo me interesa los bluray no los UHD, bascicamente porque ni tengo tv ni reproductor UHD.

He mirado el hilo pero no me queda claro, por eso pregunto.

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Viendo lo dificil que es encontrar los packs en bluray en castellano, y viviendo fuera de españa aun mas, he encontrado los steelbooks en amazon suecia.

Ya se que tema de color etc...no son las versiones que propuso Harris en 2007, pero respecto al audio, eso si que me molesta bastante, el doblaje es el original? Solo me interesa los bluray no los UHD, bascicamente porque ni tengo tv ni reproductor UHD.

He mirado el hilo pero no me queda claro, por eso pregunto.

Yo pillé el pack en 4k en un oferton de amazon increible.... 36€creo que fue... me qudé un poco flipado con que los comentarios del director de las pelis esten escondidos, es que no lo pone en los menus ni nada... si le vas dando a las opciones de audio y subs acaba saliendo...

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Yo pillé el pack en 4k en un oferton de amazon increible.... 36€creo que fue... me qudé un poco flipado con que los comentarios del director de las pelis esten escondidos, es que no lo pone en los menus ni nada... si le vas dando a las opciones de audio y subs acaba saliendo...

Si si ese pack es facil de conseguir, tambien lo vi de oferta...al final compre las ediciones sueltas Steelbook en 4k que me gustaron mucho, y por cierto, he recibido hoy. A ver si el fin de semana las paso a formato digital y las visualizo.

De momento intento comprar todo lo que pueda en formato Steelbook, desde que recibi la primera pelicula en este formato me gusto mucho y voy a intentar pasar todo lo que tenia en formato dvd a formato 4k steelbook...espero no arruinarme porque llevo una semanita...de momento ha caido Amadeus, Casino Royale (titans of cult), Blade Runner (titans of cult), Batman y Batman returns...y ya he cerrado la paradita por unos dias...ahora espero conseguir blade runner 2049 en este formato, dificil si no pagas bastante, y a ver si me contestan de la Warner con el nuevo pack de la trilogia del caballero oscuro por el 20th aniversario...y algunas mas que tengo en la lista a ver si bajan de precio...al final esto va a ser como los juegos retros, un hobby bastante caro

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Si si ese pack es facil de conseguir, tambien lo vi de oferta...al final compre las ediciones sueltas Steelbook en 4k que me gustaron mucho, y por cierto, he recibido hoy. A ver si el fin de semana las paso a formato digital y las visualizo.

De momento intento comprar todo lo que pueda en formato Steelbook, desde que recibi la primera pelicula en este formato me gusto mucho y voy a intentar pasar todo lo que tenia en formato dvd a formato 4k steelbook...espero no arruinarme porque llevo una semanita...de momento ha caido Amadeus, Casino Royale (titans of cult), Blade Runner (titans of cult), Batman y Batman returns...y ya he cerrado la paradita por unos dias...ahora espero conseguir blade runner 2049 en este formato, dificil si no pagas bastante, y a ver si me contestan de la Warner con el nuevo pack de la trilogia del caballero oscuro por el 20th aniversario...y algunas mas que tengo en la lista a ver si bajan de precio...al final esto va a ser como los juegos retros, un hobby bastante caro

El steelbook en sí es cada vez más caro..suerte.