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    Ahora Michelle Trachtenberg ha revelado que en el set de Buffy se estableció la regla de que Whedon no volvería a quedarse a solas con ella. Esto cada vez pinta peor.

    "The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There was a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in a room alone with Michelle again."

    https://www.cbr.com/joss-whedon-buff...-trachtenberg/
    I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)

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    Ahora Michelle Trachtenberg ha revelado que en el set de Buffy se estableció la regla de que Whedon no volvería a quedarse a solas con ella. Esto cada vez pinta peor.

    "The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There was a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in a room alone with Michelle again."

    https://www.cbr.com/joss-whedon-buff...-trachtenberg/
    Oh no... :(
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Ahora Michelle Trachtenberg ha revelado que en el set de Buffy se estableció la regla de que Whedon no volvería a quedarse a solas con ella. Esto cada vez pinta peor.

    "The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There was a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in a room alone with Michelle again."

    https://www.cbr.com/joss-whedon-buff...-trachtenberg/
    Se acaban ya las excusas... y seguro saldrán más cosas.

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    Se acaban ya las excusas... y seguro saldrán más cosas.
    De hecho, mirad lo que acabo de ver en Twitter:



    Tengo entendido que José Molina trabajó con Joss en Firefly. Seguro que muchos de vosotros sabéis mejor que yo quién es y cuál era su relación con Whedon.
    In space no one can hear you scream.

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    De hecho, mirad lo que acabo de ver en Twitter:



    Tengo entendido que José Molina trabajó con Joss en Firefly. Seguro que muchos de vosotros sabéis mejor que yo quién es y cuál era su relación con Whedon.
    Yep, lo comentábamos ayer en otro hilo.

    Jose Molina fue asistente de la número 2 de Whedon, Marti Noxon, y luego guionista en Firefly. Por el bien de todo el equipo, todo sea que lo que sucediera fuera sólo eso, que era casualmente cruel.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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    Yep, lo comentábamos ayer en otro hilo.

    Jose Molina fue asistente de la número 2 de Whedon, Marti Noxon, y luego guionista en Firefly. Por el bien de todo el equipo, todo sea que lo que sucediera fuera sólo eso, que era casualmente cruel.

    Cosa que tampoco está nada bien, pero si, esperemos que no pasase de ahí.
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Cosa que tampoco está nada bien, pero si, esperemos que no pasase de ahí.

    Más que hacer llorar a alguien, que puede pasar con un jefe muy exigente, es eso que cuenta de que se enorgullecía de ello y se lo tomaba a risa. Eso denota rasgos de personalidad algo extremos y bastante falta de empatía.
    I'd imagine the whole world was one big machine. Machines never come with any extra parts, you know. They always come with the exact amount they need. So I figured, if the entire world was one big machine, I couldn't be an extra part. I had to be here for some reason.(HUGO)

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    Más que hacer llorar a alguien, que puede pasar con un jefe muy exigente, es eso que cuenta de que se enorgullecía de ello y se lo tomaba a risa. Eso denota rasgos de personalidad algo extremos y bastante falta de empatía.
    Completamente de acuerdo. Mi post iba más por el lado de que ojalá que lo insinuó Trachtenberg no sea lo que estamos pensando todos...
    Última edición por Branagh/Doyle; 13/02/2021 a las 22:34
    "There’s this misconception these days that a thematic score means a dated-sounding score. This, of course, is a cop out. There’s no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The art of composing modern scores is the having the skill set to keep motifs alive while being relevant. But too many times, newer composers have no idea what fully developed themes are because they grew up on scores that are nothing more than ostinatos and “buahs.”

    John Ottman.

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    Ahora Michelle Trachtenberg ha revelado que en el set de Buffy se estableció la regla de que Whedon no volvería a quedarse a solas con ella. Esto cada vez pinta peor.

    "The last. Comment I will make on this. Was. There was a rule. Saying. He's not allowed in a room alone with Michelle again."

    https://www.cbr.com/joss-whedon-buff...-trachtenberg/

    "No volvería", o sea que anteriormente lo había hecho, lo de quedarse a solas. Huy, huy, Whedon lo tiene chungo.

    Ahora también podéis seguir mis comentarios en mi blog: Mis Críticas Blog

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    A Harry Lennix, que estuvo en las dos temporadas de Dollhouse y en Justice League, le han preguntado por el tema y también dice que él no tuvo problemas con Whedon y aporta un toque conciliador.

    ‘Zack Snyder’s Justice League’ Actor Harry Lennix on Playing Martian Manhunter and the Joss Whedon Scandal

    The reason there’s a Snyder Cut is because Zack was replaced by Joss Whedon on the movie. As you know, Ray Fisher has alleged that Joss engaged in misconduct during the shoot. You worked with Joss on two seasons of “Dollhouse,” so I wanted to ask if you had any thoughts on the matter?

    I wasn’t there during the time in question. I am sorry that anybody had to experience what it was that was described. Obviously, there’s one side of the story that we’ve heard. I don’t know that Joss has made any comments. As you point out, I worked with Joss fairly closely for a couple of years there. I didn’t see that behavior, and at the same time, as an actor, my heart goes out to anybody that had to endure that kind of treatment. We get treated as a second-class citizens frequently. But I did not see it, and I would be curious as to what [Joss’s] response to this has been.

    I just hope everybody can move on with their lives, to be honest with you. As a former seminarian, and as somebody who has made mistakes, I’ve been on either side of that equation. Directors sometimes are insensitive to the needs or the feelings of actors, and sometimes actors are needy, and sometimes they are oversensitive. I know I can be. So that said, I hope whatever it was that happened, that people could move on, and — outside of some unforgivable thing — that people can forgive, not just each other, but forgive themselves. To say, “Look, I may have made this mistake in the past, now I know better, and I’m going to do better.” This was a different time. What was tolerable, five years ago, a year ago, is no longer, and we have to adapt to that. I think there’s some of that going on, that this is generational in some way. I know that Ray has it in himself to be better because of this, to be stronger, to have survived it. And I also hope that Joss can, too, that he can survive it, be the writer and creator that that he is and we can all be better because of it.

    You’re looking at this with more empathy than I would say many observers have in light of what Ray has alleged, and what actors on “Angel” and “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” alleged about Joss on Wednesday. Were you experiences with Joss purely professional?

    Yes. Utterly professional. I didn’t see any of that kind of behavior that I’m hearing about. But I’m in a different place. That kind of thing is not likely to happen to me, just cause I’m a big Black guy from the South Side of Chicago, that people are a little more circumspect in however they might think about treating me or talking to me. I think maybe we should give [Joss] another chance to respond, to see what his side of the story is. Not minimizing anybody’s story, not minimizing the experiences others had in any way. But I believe that we must learn to reconcile. And we must learn to move on.

    We wouldn’t be able to take this into a court, per se, not really. What I’ve learned over the years is that two people could be telling the absolute truth from their point of view, and disagree on what those salient points are. Whatever those salient points are, I think that everything that I have heard so far — and that’s not everything — is recoverable. And so to the extent that it’s recoverable, let’s recover from it and keep moving.

    Joss hasn’t commented, Ray hasn’t gone public with almost any details about what he says happened on “Justice League,” and WarnerMedia hasn’t revealed what the company learned in its investigation. So figuring out how to move forward is complicated in the absence of detail.

    I agree, 100%. What I’ve been able to glean from the stories and the back and forth, such as it is — mostly the forth — is that nasty things were said, mean, insensitive things were said, that made certain people uncomfortable. That’s certainly something I’m familiar with actors having to endure. Indeed, that’s part of the process. People say “no” to us for any number of reasons, or tell us to lose weight or gain it or get taller or shorter or younger. That’s just the nature of the business — it’s a personal business. I am of the opinion that this is entirely fixable, and that really what needs to happen is a dialogue. I mean, the old standard in American jurisprudence is you have a right to face your accuser and to respond. I think that people have the right to present both sides of the case. In fact, it’s not just a right, I think it’s an obligation. I wonder what’s going to happen.
    Bottom line is, even if you see 'em coming, you're not ready
    for the big moments.No one asks for their life to change, not really. But it
    does.So what are we, helpless? Puppets? No. The big moments are
    gonna come. You can't help that. It's what you do afterwards that
    counts. That's when you find out who you are. You'll see what I mean.

    Whistler (Buffy The Vampire Slayer - 2x21 Becoming, Part One - Joss Whedon)

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