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Si bien recuerdo, solo había una introducción hablada de Walt Disney en Fantasia (no recuerdo ni siquiera haber visto entera Fantasia 2000), asi que se me hace hasta prescindible el audio en castellano ya que solo supondrá merma de calidad en cuanto a tipo de señal (no creo que le enchufen un DTS-HD MA al castellano, la verdad).Cita:
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Si tienes razón. Eso explicaría también el bajo precio de la edición Combo de ambas películas; al fin y al cabo, las pelis Pixar también tenían 2 BD + 1 DVD + Copia Digital y su precio por ahí andaba. Podría incluso venir como se ve en esa portada americana en una sola caja de BD ambas pelis.Cita:
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Un saludo.
Y los extras tambien traerán subs, en castellano o en latino? Desde luego el precio es estupendo.
Lo importante aqui son los subtitulos en los extras porque las pelis son practicamente mudas. Habrá que esperar a ver si los llevan en USA o UK, y bueno, en USA además a ver si son libres de zona.
Pues a mi si me suena que hay pelis en dvd, que los dialogos se han dejado tal cual, pero la musica le han metido la corrección desde un audio bueno. No recuerdo ningun titulo con claridad, pero algo me suena.Cita:
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Aqui lo tendrian sencillito y seria lo suyo.
Mas cuando, si mal no recuerdo, en su momento se estrenaba con un sistema de audio que se instalaba en los cines y luego rodaba, tipo terremoto. El audio en españa, tuvo que ser multicanal... otra cosa es que se guardara.
Siendo muy facil posicionar los escasos dialogos, meternos un mono malo, seria una cutrez. En el caso de esta peli, otras es otra cosa.
Paso de Fantasía 2000, pero caen fijo Fantasía y La Bella y la Bestia.
¿Qué otros clásicos Disney están preparando para el año que viene? Se sabe alguno?
El Rey León, fijo que sale el año que viene. Pero falta saber la que saldrá en primavera.
¿No sería Bambi, por un casual?
¿La de primavera no era Alicia? Es de 1951 por lo que será un aniversario redondo. Además Disney debe aprovechar ahora mientras la película de Burton aún está caliente. Bambi es de 1942 así que no me estrañaría que saliera en el 2012. De todos modos ni todas las ediciones de Disney coinciden con aniversarios redondos.
Yo preferiría El Libro de la Selva, pero cualquier clásico es bienvenido.
Me apetecen mucho Alicia en el Pais de las Maravillas, Peter Pan o La Dama y el Vagabundo...
En Ultimatedisney.com, marcan como proximo BD el de Dumbo para febrero 2011, pero ya está editado :descolocao
Edito porque acabo de comprobar que la proxima edición BD será Bambi en primavera 2011. :)
Los extras (versión USA):
Fantasia
- DisneyView
- Audio commentaries
- Disney Family Museum
- The Schultheis Notebook: newly discovered document revealing movie secrets
- Interactive Art Gallery
Fantasia 2000
- Audio commentaries
- Destino: 2003 animated short debuting on Blu-ray
- Dali and Disney - a date with Destino: documentary
- Musicana: Walt's inpiration for a sequel
- BD-Live
- Disney's Virtual Vault
Pues dificilmente llenarán un segundo Blu-ray con estos extras, así que fijo que las ediciones serán combos BD+DVD.
A ver si se detallan un poco más esos extras, que a simple vista parecen menos que los de la edición en DVD USA del 2000.
Y a ver qué nos hará Disney con el doblaje, porque imagino que veremos el montaje "Roadshow" completo de la película, con las introducciones extendidas de Deems Taylor.
Sois mejores que la rana Gustavo informando... voy a ir preparando la VISA para esos packs alucinantes...
Pues no parecen muchos extras, comparados con los que llevaba el Fantasia Anthology en DVD. ¡Ay ay ay que nos la cuelan!
Nota de prensa oficial:
Sigo pensando que, al menos en lo referente a extras, el pack "Fantasia Anthology" del 2000 era muy superior.Cita:
Releasing for the First Time in Over a Decade
To Astound the Eyes and Ears of a New Generation!
Highly-Anticipated Hi-Def Debut of Disney's Acclaimed Masterwork and the Modern Magnum Opus it Inspired
Fantasia & Fantasia 2000: 2-Movie Collection Special Edition
On 4-Disc Blu-ray™ Combo Pack and 2-Disc DVD
November 30, 2010
BURBANK, Calif., September 2010 -- Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 -- the magical, animated musical masterpiece and the contemporary classic inspired by it -- debut in highly anticipated Blu-ray High Definition and DVD 2-Movie Collection Special Editions on November 30. Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment is opening the Disney vault to be able to present these two films that broke the boundaries of imagination in the highest quality possible.
The Fantasia and Fantasia 2000: 2-Movie Collection Special Edition will be available in a 4-disc Blu-ray Combo Pack ($45.99 SRP) and a 2-Disc DVD ($39.99 SRP) for a very limited time only. The Blu-ray transformation of Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 will reveal the magic, music and majesty of both films as never before experienced, with state-of-the-art picture restoration of the original Fantasia and pristine 7.1 Digital Theater System Hi-Def Surround Sound. The Blu-ray combo pack is a tremendous value featuring, in addition to the two films in two different formats, a wealth of bonus features.
Among those Blu-ray special features is the highly requested Academy Award® nominated short Destino. Available for the first time ever on Blu-ray, the seven minute film is the result of a unique collaboration between Walt Disney and Salvador Dali begun in 1946, but put on hold due to studio financial concerns. In 2003, Roy E. Disney worked with a team of modern day animators to complete the film as a tribute to Walt's pioneering artistic vision. Accompanying the highly anticipated short is an all-new feature length documentary entitled Dali & Disney: A Date With Destino, which explores the origins of the relationship between Disney and Dali, their collaboration on Destino, and ultimately how the film came to fruition so many years after its inception.
Fantasia, an unprecedented and magnificent feast of music and animated images, was initially released by the Studio in 1940 as a "road show" release. The following year, at the 14th Annual Academy Awards, Fantasia earned two Special Awards. The first was given to Walt Disney and associates for their outstanding contribution to the advancement of the use of sound in motion pictures, being the first commercial film released in multi-channel sound using a process called Fantasound, and the second to conductor Leopold Stokowski and his associates "for... unique achievement in the creation of a new form of visualized music... thereby widening the scope of the motion picture as entertainment and as an art form."
Considered avant-garde during its time, Fantasia has gone on to become one of the most popular movies of all time and today is considered a classic. In 1990, the film was selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant." Featuring the Philadelphia Orchestra, conducted by Stokowski, this groundbreaking film, which consists of animation set to eight musical pieces, is narrated by Deems Taylor and includes an appearance by Mickey Mouse (voiced by Disney himself).
Equally impressive is Fantasia 2000, the awe-inspiring extravaganza of sight and sound, executive produced by the late Roy E. Disney. Featuring an array of celebrity hosts including Steve Martin, Bette Midler, James Earl Jones, Penn and Teller, Angela Lansbury, Itzhak Perlman and Quincy Jones, the film, like its predecessor, expertly visualizes classical music compositions with various forms of animation and live-action introductions. Fantasia 2000 is primarily performed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and conducted by James Levine.
Synopsis: The dreams and visions of Walt Disney come to life in Fantasia, which blends music and film magic into an exhilarating movie-going experience. Unforgettable images are brought to life by some of the world's best music, and highlighted by the comedy of Mickey Mouse as a troublemaking sorcerer's apprentice, along with the beauty of winged fairies and cascading snowflakes, the majesty of Noah's ark and even plump hippos performing ballet in tutus.
Motivated by his uncle's foresight, Roy Disney continued the magic with Fantasia 2000
Fantasia DVD Bonus Features:
-New Audio Commentary with Disney historian Brian Sibley
-Disney Family Museum (running time: approx. 5 minutes) - Walt's daughter Diane Disney-Miller takes viewers on a tour of the new Disney Family Museum in San Francisco, California featuring a very large exhibit on Fantasia and most importantly, the Schultheis notebook with long lost Fantasia production notes found in more recent years in the walls of a convent.
Fantasia Blu-ray Bonus Features:
Everything on the DVD plus:
-Disney View - This viewing mode maximizes the Blu-ray viewing experience with a 16 x 9 aspect ratio. Original artwork created by a Disney artist, in a style that complements the beauty of the film.
-The Shultheis Notebook: A Disney Treasure (running time: approx. 14 minutes) - An in depth look at the recently discovered Schultheis Notebook. The detailed log was created by Herman Schultheis, an effects man on Fantasia, and intricately breaks down the film from a technical view. Many of the special effects used in Fantasia were a mystery to modern day animators until this notebook was recovered.
-Interactive Art Gallery and Screensavers - Viewers can explore the artwork of Fantasia
-Audio Commentaries from Fantasia Legacy Collection: With executive producer Roy E. Disney, conductor James Levine, animation historian John Canemaker, and Scott McQueen, manager of film restoration. Audio commentary with interviews and story note recreations by Walt Disney, hosted by John Canemaker.
Fantasia 2000 DVD Bonus Features:
-Musicana: Walt's Inspiration for a Sequel (running time: approx. 10 minutes) - This documentary reveals rarely-seen art created for Musicana, a late 1970's project intended as a Fantasia sequel with a focus on exploring other cultures via their greatest musical compositions. Viewers are offered a look at the origins of pieces that were started by Walt, such as "The Emperor and the Nightingale" which was then taken over by a very young John Lasseter. Ultimately, Musicana was stopped to begin production on Mickey's Christmas Carol, but the memories of this piece still live on with the animators who conceived it.
Fantasia 2000 Blu-ray Bonus Features:
Everything on the DVD plus:
-Dali & Disney: A Date With Destino (running time: 82 minutes) - This feature length documentary explores the collaborative relationship between Walt Disney and Salvador Dali, revealing how and why the Destino short came to fruition under the lead of Roy E. Disney in 2003 so many years after its inception in 1946.
-Destino (running time: approx. 7 minutes) - The legacy of Walt Disney and Salvador Dali lives on in this highly anticipated short film.
-Disney's Virtual Vault -- BD-Live Feature
-Original DVD Bonus Features from Legacy Collection
-Audio Commentaries from Fantasia Legacy Collection (total running time: 84 minutes): With executive producer Roy E. Disney, conductor James Levine, and producer Don Ernst. Audio commentary with the directors and art directors for each segment.
About Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment Combo Packs (Blu-ray + DVD in a single package): To provide consumers with unprecedented quality, value and portability of their favorite Disney classics, in 2008 WDSHE pioneered the Combo Pack - Blu-ray Disc(s) plus a DVD in a single package. Classic Disney titles released as Combo Packs include Sleeping Beauty, Pinocchio and Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
The Fantasia and Fantasia 2000: 2-Movie Collection Special Edition Blu-ray™ + DVD Combo Pack is priced at $45.99 SRP and the 2-Disc DVD set is priced at $39.99 SRP which begins where its predecessor left off. There are seven completely new segments, and viewers watch a bustling Depression-era metropolis in the style of Al Hirschfeld's famous cartoons, a flock of flamingos with slapstick yo-yo talents, an ark full of animals gathered by Donald Duck as Noah's first mate, and musical life breathed into a family of flying humpback whales. as never before, in HD resolution with unique Blu-ray interactivity and programming.
Parece claro que el gran extra es en Fantasia 2000 el corto de destino y su making of de casi hora y media :palmas
Por lo demás si, en cuanto a extras, la cosa anda un poco floja. Espero una imagen espectacular eso si :lee
Pero esto...
-Original DVD Bonus Features from Legacy Collection
¿Suponemos que vendrá todo el material del Legacy? Si no como dices pobrísimo, creo que el anterior pack también tenía un extra de una hora en la Fantasia original.
Eso se me había escapado. Sería lo suyo: meter los extras de las anteriores ediciones, y añadir los nuevos listados. Porque por si solos no parecen suficiente.
Veremos a ver en que queda :rubor
Vaya, esa línea que mencionas me ha había saltado, Self. Me da miedo porque pone eso en los extras de "Fantasia 2000", pero no pone nada en los de "Fantasia", a ver qué nos han hecho...
Es que el Legacy era el tercer disco del pack anterior, el que tenía el grueso de los extras. Luego en cada disco de las pelis había algún extra más, concretamente en Fantasia creo que había un reportaje de cerca de una hora, pero a lo mejor está incluido en algún PIP o algo.
Sí, tengo el pack y tanto "Fantasia" como "Fantasia 2000" llevan un documental de cerca de una hora. Esperemos que no se les "olvide" incluirlos también en esta nueva edición...
Respecto a los extras, leyendo la nota de prensa en ultimatedisney, creo que la parte que dice "Original DVD Bonus Features from Legacy Collection" en Fantasia 2000 es una explicación del extra "Disney’s Virtual Vault -- BD-Live Feature ", es decir, esos extras de fantasia 2000 que venían en la edición "legacy" no estarán en el disco, sino a través de BD-live (y sólo funciona para los de USA, ¿no?)...
Entonces, de la edición "legacy" sólo vamos a tener los dos audiocomentarios de cada película, lo que me lleva a otra duda: la versión de Fantasia que se editó en el DVD de USA era diferente a la nuestra, era más larga (roadshow, 125'), entre los cortos un señor decía una introducción, tenía intermedio y no había créditos al final (en la versión editada aquí (general release version, 112'), no había señor, sólo una voz en off, no había intermedio y al final había créditos). Entonces, o bien nos van a traer la versión "larga" o bien los audiocomentarios para Fantasia tienen que estar editados para saltarse esas introducciones y el intermedio (o una tercera opción, que en Fantasia no vengan audiocomentarios, todavía no se sabe nada oficial sobre la edición española, creo, sólo tenemos datos de ediciones extranjeras). Ojalá nos traigan la versión larga (y sin la censura en el corto Sinfonía pastoral), total, sólo habría que doblar las nuevas introducciones, pero, viendo los extras que ponen en play.com, creo que nos van a traer la versión corta y perdemos los dos comentarios del legacy de Fantasia (sólo nos queda el nuevo).
Espero estar equivocado. Un saludo.
EDITO: Y veo que tampocon ponen (en play.com)el extra "The Shultheis Notebook: A Disney Treasure (running time: approx. 14 minutes)". Por otro lado, en la duración de la película ponen 2 horas y 4 minutos, es buena señal...
Pues como sea así, y nos roben extras en Europa, pa los dialogos que hay ya me valen subtitulos y me las pido a USA.
Sobre el tema de la censura en la versión del Blu-Ray de "Fantasia", según The Digital Bits:
Cita:
A number of you have asked if Disney's Fantasia Blu-ray will include the censored or uncensored version of the film. As some of you may know, the original theatrical version of the film featured a 'black centaurette' character in The Pastoral Symphony sequence. For the previous DVD release, this character was removed via a digital zoom. Our sources tell us that this change is still part of the new Blu-ray, but that with improved digital tools the edit is more seamless. Like some of you, I have mixed feelings about this. I'd love to see some kind of branching viewing option that allows you to see the uncensored version, with some kind of BD-Java option or featurette that addresses the issue head-on. Even a BD-Live option to view the uncensored version or scenes online. In today's PC climate though, I can understand why Disney wouldn't include it. Essentially, the controversy itself would be all ANYONE in the media talked about. Same with Song of the South - in an ideal world, Disney would release it uncensored as a special edition that directly addressed the subject racism in classic Hollywood films head-on. An unvarnished look at the issue and how far we've come (or not) since then, WITH members of the black community involved - historians, etc. And they could donate all the profits to a charity devoted to ending racism. But in today's media climate, some groups would decide to use the release as an opportunity to generate controversy and stir up PR, and even those people who honestly believe the film should never be seen again would campaign on Larry King, and it would be a circus. My take is, you should never sanitize your own history, but rather deal with it head on. But that requires the ability to look at things in context, in more than the time that it takes to write or read a Twitter feed, and our society doesn't seem to have that ability anymore - at least at the moment. So yes, it's unfortunate, and but I guess I do understand Disney's decision. And while it's important to keep all this in mind, it's not going to prevent me from enjoying what should be an otherwise excellent release, much like the previous DVD set.
By the way, the uncensored version of Fantasia (not to mention Song of the South) IS available on bootleg DVD for the determined collector to find, and it's not that hard to track down a copy via the Internet. To be absolutely clear, I'm certainly not endorsing that any more than I endorse the censorship. I'm just saying.